Romans Chapter 8 Discussion Page 9

What will you have with you always? It is in Proverbs I think

Hi Michael.

I suppose I Would get an interpret who speaks Greek, ""since Greek is not considered an unknown tongue to a Greek. And the interpreter wouldn't have to have the holyspirit to relay the msg.

Or I would go online and use a translator.

However this couldn't be done in those days during Pentecost God did something special for the lost sheep of Israel who had been scattered and picked up other languages. Acts 2:4-11. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with ""other tongues"", as the Spirit gave them utterance.

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

"" Notice this next verse, the emphasis here is not on the speaking, it's on the hearing""" The gift to interpret.

((And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?))

Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Michael today the Gospel is being taken to the world mostly by radio and some in person, Not in unknown tongues but in other tongues. ""Not by force, but in Charity. ( Love ).

John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Covet the best Gift. ( Love) God bless.

My wife, Patsy and her sister, Teresa, lost their only brother Tuesday and they can use some prayers.

Thank you:

Rusty Essary

1CORINTHIANS 14 V 2 ..

For he that speaketh in and unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him: howebeit in the sprirt he speaketh mysteries

Hello Spencer

You have gone to great lengths to explain why you do not have to speak in tongues

imagine this you speak in english and you go to greece and they say you have to speak in greek

what do you say to the greeks...

Hi everyone ,i havent been posting on here for long but ive been reading the comments on here for quite a while now ,i have asked some questions that no one has tried to answer ,im not sure why not ,do some people think that im deliberately asking contentious questions in order to be a pain ? Are some people nervous to answer because they worry their answer is wrong or that they will offend me ? I ask questions because i like my brain to be provoked , im genuinely interested in what people think and believe ,not just one person ,i would like lots of different anwers from different people ,i may not agree with your answer but it may provoke my brain into thinking differently or looking something up that i hadnt thought of before ,this helps me to learn ! I want to be provoked into working harder and reading my Bible and seeing things that i hadnt noticed before ,as long as we are always polite to each other its not a problem to dissagree if when we dissagree we help each other to grow in understanding and patience with each other .

Hi Michael,

When you want the attention of someone particular hit reply under their comment so you msg will alert their email. I'm traveling so I only browse the site for now. But I want to draw you attention to a Homely example created by you. You said you are doing a lot of rewriting because of misspelling a few words, I take That you feel it's very important for you to be clear, "Your Msg is important for the hearer, Wouldn't a msg from God to those he Loves and trust and sent should be delivered with understanding? What about these Msgs we relay and receive on paper how can they bless you without understanding?

And Michael I believe those old testament references you gave speaks of the time of the Millennium. You seem to believe that worshipping. in truth and in spirit is all Vocal. """ How can you worship in truth vocally in an unknown tongue when you are noone knows what you are saying? What was your reason for messaging me? Was it because I said gifts doesn't confirm salvation, the best gift was Love its a fruit as well a gift and I said the scripture says you know them by their fruit? I have to get back on the road, I will msg you later. Thank you

This couple wanted to appear like the others who had sold much of their possessions & brought the full sale price of their lands & houses to the apostles, so that the money could be distributed to the poor amongst them.

The sin of Ananias & Sapphira was not the amount that they gave to the apostles, but that they lied about how much they sold their possession for, by holding back a part of the sale price & keeping it for themselves. If they declared that they needed a part of the sale proceeds, that would have been fine, but they lied & misled the Church, wanting to appear as generous as the others. And we note, the speedy judgement meted out to them. I often wonder what would be the state of the Church today, if God were to judge us in such a manner - I would think that we would be very few in number.

What's wrong Rusty Essary? What can I pray for you for?

Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD [is] nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

John 16:22 - And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Matthew 5:4 - Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

John 14:27-29 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (Read More...)

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

2 Timothy 4:7 - I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:

Colossians 2:5 - For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-22 - To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: (Read More...)

Psalms 147:3 - He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. (Read More...)

Philippians 1:3 - I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Philippians 4:6-7 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. (Read More...)

They are a great comfort

From old to new testament God says how he would speak to his people ....

IASIAH 28:11 says...

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people ....

ISAIAH 33:19 says...

Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech that thou canst not perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand

1 CORINTHIANS 14:14 says...

For when i pray in and unknown tongue , my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful

1CORINTHIANS 14:2 says..

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

sPENCER I AM NOT BEING ALLOWED TO SEND YOU THESE SCRIPTUERS I HAVE TRIED 5 TIMES IF IT WORKS THIS TIME GOOD

Why did ananias and wife cheat Holyspirit ( Acts 5

Chris,

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thorough response! I'll make sure she gets your message.

Thanks again,

Aaron and Edna

There is not much i can write regarding the unfilling of Gods Holy Spirit except their are only two Languages that exist ..( Tongues of Angels Heavenly ) and ( Tongues of men Earthy ) and if God is a spirit how do you worship God in the Spirit...

Hello Aaron (& Edna). I don't believe that we can use personal email addresses on this Site, as it's a public Site & you know how problems can occur by doing so. If your great grandmother hits the Reply button on the Comment she wishes to respond to (or, else start a fresh Comment to bring up a new Topic or question), then we should all see it. Having said that, your comment to me, & some from others, don't always give me an alert in my email, so I actually stumbled onto your comment now, as I try to peruse as much of the input into KJB Online as possible. And of course, there are many capable, knowledgeable brothers & sisters here who would be willing to give answers, if I miss it. Hopefully, it will all work out for her.

To her question: I understand that she was referring to Revelation 7:3 ff. There would be several views on this portion of Scripture, but to me, if it seems clear in the Bible, then I accept it as given. We're not told how this Seal of God is applied to the foreheads, whether visible or not: likely visible. And then again, it applies to the 144,000 (12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel). Some see this number as referring to the Church, since the purity, indeed the evidence, of any of the tribes, are virtually non-existent today. But if we say that it's the Church being spoken of, then why mention the tribes, & why such a relatively low number of people who are sealed? Again, I believe that this speaks of Israel, as we (the Church) have already been sealed by the Holy Spirit & as I also believe that we will not go through the Great Tribulation & we will not be here in Revelation chap 7, but with the Lord in Heaven.

So the Revelation Seal is one from God placed upon the 144,000 of Israel, whereas the Mark of the Beast, is that mark or name that is required to be put on all those left on Earth so they can serve the Anti-Christ & be able to live. But for how long? As the Wrath of God will soon be poured out on all living on Earth at that time.

Hi, Chris!

This is Aaron, Edna's great grandson, again.

Is there an email address that she could use to ask questions? I'm trying to figure out how to make using the discussion function as easy as possible for her. She is fairly inexperienced with using the internet, and I have been receiving her replies, just one so far, and sending those to her myself. Is there was an email address that could be used in the same way as posting a comment? If not, that's ok.

Again, I really appreciate you taking time to answer her question. I think she liked that a lot.

Have a blessed day!

Thank you brother Ezekiel. The Holy Bible is really what I am now more interested in, and have a passion for, more than anything. As I was into many other things but after I was led to the Lord it has encompassed my life. I enjoy hearing that I sound like a "Bible student". Only reading the Bible for just under two years. You lead me to do a count of things in my Bible: having over 65 book markers for pages and over 500 marks for my favorite verses throughout. I am just a beginner.

Thank you very much for your kind replies brother.

HI Michael. Lets pick up from verse 10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verse 11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, we speak what we do know, and testify that what we have seen; and you receive not our witness. Verse 12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Did you notice in verse 10 Jesus states: " Art thou a master in Israel and knowest not these things? " ( Jesus miracles, his conduct, and his mission was consistent with the old testament scripture.)

John the baptist elaborates on it as well in the same chapter verses 31-33.

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. Now it's Jesus who speak what he has seen and heard, Those who receive through the power of the Holyspirit testify of this truth. John 16:12-13. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 4:23. Here Jesus is answering the woman of Samaria giving a lesson on its not where you worship its on how to worship, ""Through the power of the holyspirit"" John 16:14-15. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Maybe someone can elaborate on it further.

Brother Richard, you can download the Daily Light devotion free very easily. Let me know if you encounter a problem. I have it in both PDF or plain text file in my PC. Again it has no copy right, just like our beloved KJV Bible, Alleluia! Not sure how deeply you are involved with Bible study but you sound like a Bible student. Thanks

No sir. That is the first I've seen it and thank you for letting me know of the site. That is very nice taking all the verses and putting them together like that corresponding.

I very much appreciate that brother Ezekiel. May our Father in Heaven Bless you.

Hello Spencer how do you read these 2 chapter of scripture..

JOHN 3 V 1-11 / 11 in particular says .. Verily, verily, i say unto thee, we speak that we do not know, and testify what we have seen: and receive not our wittness

JOHN 4V 23 says..But the hour cometh, when true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him...

Brother Richard, do you use daily devotion? Check out Daily Light on the Daily Path, a collection of relevant KJV verses, morning and evening, for 365 days without author's comment because the relevant or related verses speak of the idea by themselves. The unknown author did a fabulous job listing them. Pastors can develop sermon notes from them very easily. Thanks

Hello, Chris. My name is Aaron. I'm responding on the behalf of my great grandmother, Edna, who posted the original comment.

I think she was referring to the seal on the servants of God, mentioned in Revelation 7:3. She was asking what the difference between that seal and the "mark of the beast" was.

Thank you for response! I never expected to get such a thorough response so quickly!

I'll relay your comment to her.

Thanks again!

How true , what does it mean to receive the holy ghost ? Is it actually a "GHOST" that comes on you? Faith, an activity that takes place in the heart, that cannot be understood is when Jesus comes into your heart, you become a changed person, the "old man " is no longer who we were! There is thought, that as long as one has this knowledge, this is all one needs to be saved! This thinking is what Jesus spoke against and about. He said, knowing the history is not enough! Just because you are of the seed, does not give you salvation! So ,one could say old things are passed away and all things are new! That in fact these things are the work of the holy spirit!

Yes, that's all I meant by looking over the "Hebrew and Greek". The Thayers and Strongs definitions. The Masoretic Text and Textus Receptus. Sorry for miss implying.

I do agree Charles that Tongues was a sign-Gift first for the Jews, so that they might be witnesses to the Power & Presence of God in a way that they've never seen before, but it seems clear that this Gift was never taken away & the early Church still had it & practised it, some for the edification of the Church, others who misused it (1 Corinthians chapter 14). The problem arises, whether the practise of that Gift today is the real deal & the insistence by some that it is the primary proof of the baptism by the Spirit.

Remember Chris: tongues were for a sign unto the Jews bearing witness to the Gospel to the Jews ( John 20:31) because the Jews require a sign, or they would not believe. Gentiles do not need a sign to believe.

I don't understand your meaning of "the mark on christians". Are you referring to something that some Christians supposedly put on the outside, e.g. a cross, Jesus pendant, etc.? Or, maybe you're referring to Ephesians 1:13,14: where we have been sealed (or, marked & secured) by the Holy Spirit as God's Own?

However, the mark of the Beast, though we can't say for sure how it will be evident, seems to be an identifier on the skin or maybe under it, that reveals a person's decided position to follow & obey the rule of Anti-Christ. And this most will gladly do, so that they can still "buy & sell" & presumably lead somewhat normal lives, without being victimized or suffer hardship or even death.

Brother Richard? Ezekiel again. It is waste of time to search Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic languages. You won't enhance your understanding of scripture and I heard about 5,000 Greek manuscript fragments, most of them corrupt. We have Strong's Hebrew and Greek words attached to every word in KJV. They are enough for me. I do not need to learn about them. In my Bible software, I can find how a Hebrew or Greek word was translated differently, and yes the same word was translated differently into different English words.

I have studied KJV for the last 10 years, wrote complete Bible annotations (I don't call them Bible commentary anymore), came up with some new theologies, and ready to preach and start my own ministry--a conservative church, many old hymn singing with piano and/or organ (no drum or guitar), men wearing suits and women skirts, Sunday morning and evening, and midweek service. Sounds familiar? Can't find a church like it these days easily, huh, can we?

Hi Sacha.

Yes it means love, Agape I believe this love for the brothern is assisted by the Holyspirit enabling us to be completely given over to one another, John has a lot to say about this love in his gospel and his letters. 1 John 2:5.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

This verse seems to suggest when this particular love is present in you for the brothern " here by we KNOW we are in him. This is part of the gifts of the spirit and also a fruit of the spirit. And also the love Peter struggled with in the flesh but when the Holyspirit indwelled him he was committed till his death.

1 Corinthians 13:13. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.