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Romans ;11

Read it, the answer to his question is yes.ISRAELandjews are totally destroyed and he is the Antichrist of his, and he change the commandments and circumcision.john and peter was fighting against him and. Warn the world. they continue

The deception we are in today. The witnesses in Jerusalem are now fulfilling Rev.11 ;1-8.take note and read KJV only

Amen and Thanks Bro Dan.

Even when it's a parable ir a allegory or what ever that spiritual insert will not make the Lord a killer or a crooked judge.

This type of onslaught is nothing new. I just ignore direct confrontation with this evil. And try to represent the majority of the Good people on this site so when new people come on they can take it serious instead think we all have those devilish views.

Thanks and God bless.

Good Afternoon, Bro Dan. I agree with you wholly. The Bible writings include many different literary genre's. I f someone is unsure whether the bible passage is meant to be taken in a way other than literally, then they can use the internet to get help with that from reputable Bible scholars.

But we know that some will not do so, trusting their own fallen minds and hearts and saying these are being led by the Spirit and they don't need anyone else to help them understand the Scripture.

Also, You and I and most likely others know that when Paul was talking about the letter killing in 2 Corinthians 3:6, he was talking about the O.T. Law (verses 3-11 to read the quoted Scripture by Alex in context) which condemns all of us because we have all broken this law, therefore bringing the penalty of sin on us, which is death.

Paul was not speaking of the written words of Scripture in both the O.T. and the N.T., otherwise the Scriptures that record the words of our Savior, Jesus, would be lethal, too, but He said that His Words are Spirit and Life ( John 6:63). We know this is not true. And we know that those who say that Paul was referring to the written words (letters) of Scripture kills are using this illogical view as a smokescreen to excuse themselves from refutation and to give creedance to the erroneous way they interpret much of Scripture as being allegorical, prophetic, and illustrative of deeper, hidden meanings and the way they mish-mash isolated Scriptures together, spattered with their erroneus interpretations to create a narrative that (like you said) rarely makes sense, is illogical, and does violence to the actual God-inspired Words He had the writers write with the context and genres He directed them to write.

Thank you for your response to A. I appreciate that you did.

Amen and thanks Richard.

Great truths God bless you.

Not a sin if in moderation, which to me means minimal. I believe things God intended for us which are good can be abused and used to harm ourselves or others and that is sin. Food = can be used for obesity, feed additions, or idolatry. Money = can be abused and used for greed, coveting, idolatry, etc. Sex intended within confines of one lifelong marriage can become adultery, fornication, lust, etc.

Some things are like playing with fire, with very little benefit with an enormous downside risk. People know their own temperaments and weaknesses for whether some are appropriate for them to dabble with.

Bro Alex,

I realize there are parables, allegories, and metaphor's intertwined in the bible. But for the most part, there are also logical and literal explanations for most. When Jesus spoke in parables he also took His time to explain the logical meaning of the parables so that we can understand the meanings - in the literal sense! Correct? God wants us to understand His Word!

The book of Revelation is a good example of these allegories, of which you speak. We really can't hope to decipher the exact meaning of each of the Apocalyptic revelations, or the bizarre imagery, and symbolic representations of reality, but we can "literally interpret" some of it. Example: in reading Revelations we know that God is going to end this earth as we currently know it - and He has said he will create New Heavens and Earth. So if we are to believe God Words, then we are believing this literally - Correct?

When we start trying to read between the lines, emphasizing some scripture, and discarding other scripture, and molding the scripture to mean something that we "secretly envision", "seeing hidden meanings" that's taking a path that can lead to confusion, including distorting the bible scripture that would inevitably render the scriptures meaningless for most people to understand.

Lastly, I believe the Bible is God's Word to us, and He meant His Words to be believed by us - literally and completely.

God Bless.

S Steven its you that makes his blood of no effect by preaching our conduct takes us to heaven...When its only by the blood of the lamb that saves us....When we were yet sinners Christ died for us, all of us...He paid the price for everybody...and not only us but every person....Jesus is the propitiatiton for our sins and not our sins only but for the sins of the world world...1 st John 2 : 2

.....Steven you have contempt for that lake of fire...That refiners fire and fullers soap which is the H.G...Baptism of the H.G. and Fire....You do not realize its what we need is that cleansing fire....Satan fears that refiners fire and fullers soap....its the end of his kingdom that is within us...Its an internal fire as we need to be washed internally..Water Baptism is an external washing but to be baptised with the H.G. AND FIRE IS INTERNAL...As our new heart and new spirit is internal.

....What he did at Calvary is for everybody and anybody....When we yet sinners Christ died for us ALL of US

...The very fact that he makes his rain and his sun to shine on every person, no exceptions....Proves we are all gonna be saved in the end....Jesus cd not teach us to forgive our debtors if he didn't forgive all his debtors humanity this world..

...When his blood dropped on the earth its was just prophetic that this whole world is gonna be made clean by his BLOOD...Thats y he said if i belifted up i will draw ALL men unto me.

...In Adam we all died but in Christ we will ALL live...The scripture cd not even refer to Christ as being that 2 nd Adam if his blood was not applied to every man....AUTOMATICALLY IN THE END WHEN THE BOOK IS OPENED....The vert fact that Paul a murderer was saved when he didn't even have salvation on his mind proves God is gonna save every person in the end...He is gonna pour out his spirit on all flesh wither ya want it or not..As mans carnal mind is not subject to the laws of God AND NEITHER INDEED CAN BE...Thus its gona be to everybody everyman. GBU

Kathy:

Man doesn't go to a PLACE, heaven of hell.

John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, except he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which now IS IN HEAVEN; IN MAN.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .......Christ in you ....

We are JUST A BODY; THE NEW HEAVEN, where the LIFE of CHRIST dwells.

When he pulls THE LIFE out of the BODY (human flesh) that fleshly bodies dies.

The LIFE goes back to God who gave THE BODY LIFE.

When we depart this fleshly body we instantly are GIVEN a NEW BODY, the BODY of CHRIST.

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The kingdom of heaven is IMMORTAL LIFE.

The only man that has IMMORTAL LIFE is Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:38 ...and to every SEED, HIS (CHRIST) OWN BODY ......

John 14:6 I am Life ....

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high,

Psalms 82:7 But ye (flesh and blood, this earthly body) shall die like one of the princes ...

LIFE can never DIE, only this body of flesh DIES: LIFE continues in a NEW BODY.

God Bless YOU!

believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved/ Acts 16;31. No mention of calling on the name of the Lord or repentance in true biblical salvation.

When does God send a man a wife?

Please pray for my mom to be healed of covid 19 , and for my household family to not get it in Jesus name Amen

Thanks for reminding us that was in the Old Testament!

literal means without allegory or parable or metaphor....But without a parable our lord did not speak to them... Mark 4 : 34 kjv...Thus we cannot take the bible literal....Simply b/c its packed with parables and allegories and metaphors....Without a parable he spoke not unto them.....k

Bible code = capitalized religion

cap. lord = me your living god

lord = my son amnra of atlantis

god = refers to my program imagine of spirit

cap. christ = me now the capitalized king

christ = as jesus my 2nd son i claim perfection

cap. god = me now (well me in my prime in a few years)

yes, this god king of the real jews

eddie king smith iv of the tribe of david.

i do love you always, and i listen to all prayers.

Bible code = capitalized religion

lord = me your living god

lord = my son amra of atlantis

god = refers to my program imagine of spirit

christ = me now the capitalized king

christ = as jesus my 2nd son i claim perfection

god = me now (well me in my prime in a few years

yes, this god king of the real jews

eddie king smith iv of the tribe of david.

i do love you always, and i listen to all prayers.

Romans 14:7-12, Philippians 2:1-11, Matthew 7,

Hopefully these are helpful

In genesis 1;27 the bible states God made mankind and instructed them to multiply. In Genesis chapter 2 he created Adam and Eve. There were humans before Adam and Eve?

If God abhors evil and is always against it then why does Isaiah 45:7 state, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I understand that God does all things at all times but why does it state that He created evil? Isnt that going against God's stance on evil? Thank you for your time and God bless.

Being that alcohol is one of the biggest destroyers of families and lives, I would think the the Lord would want us to stay away from something that so easily becomes ok, which is exactly how the devil operates.

Praying for you and your

"situation "

I once couldn't stand my husband. And I knew it. He knew it. I prayed for myself and God changed my heart. I'm praying the same for you. Love changes things.

Try to remember why you married him. Ask God for forgiveness and to soften hard heartedness, He most certainly will!

Anyone can get disgruntled and throw in the towel! But it takes a Godly woman to stay and pray.

Pray Sister! Repent. I say this with love. Knowing how in only 2 weeks after prayer and repentance over my own hard heartedness, I had such a love for my husband I couldn't hide the love dripping from my eyes when I looked at him. My heart was overflowing with marital love and a desire to serve him in love. The one thing I regret that I never did enough of was pray for my husband. He eventually left me and the kids. Wish I would've prayed for him more. I pray for him now but he's in somebody else's arms remarried. And I will not remarry. Because he divorced me. Stay and pray. Forgive. Love. Respect. Honor. In doing so you also honor the Lord. God takes the covenant of marriage very seriously.

Bro, Dan we cannot take the bible literally...The letter is a killer but the Spirit of the word is life...As Jesus said my words are SPIRIT and LIFE...Thats y he always spoke in parables....There things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto Babes and sucklings which are Spirits...Baby Spirits...Which is that Child of Promise that has to be born in us via his seeds his words etc.

.....He has made us able ministers of the living Word....Not the written word a killer...The written word was the old covenant but the new covenant is the living Word...2 nd Cor...3 : 6 KJV

.....Thats y the new birth is in the SPIRIT....Simply b/c that good seed is spirit and life...The new COVENANT....Yielding a new innerman which is the H.G. that is SPIRIT....We war in the SPIRIT not in the flesh....We must be born again of the Spirit that new Covenant...Not the letter of the word that old covenant death.

....Yes Dan Jesus did quote from the O.T....But his words are the New Covenant much greater then the old Covenant. He wrote the New Covenant with is own blood....I will make a new Covenant with the house of Judah and ISRAEL...NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ETC...I will put my words n their hearts and minds and those WORDS are SPIRIT AND LIFE....And hid from the wise and prudent simply b/c they are of the Spirit...Thus not literal words....If his words were literal we wd not need the anointing to teach us Spritual things....The New Covenant.

......The Law and the Prophets were till John ( the literal word the LAW ) since that time the Kingdom of God is preached and all men press into it simply b/c its in the Spirit....Its not a literal Kingdom but a spritual kingdom....Which is the H.G.

Kathy, that is a very good question. I do not know of a Scripture verse that speaks to this. But i do think that when we get to heaven we will understand more fully how right and just God's judgments are for each individual person. We may be aware that one we loved is not in heaven with us. Rather, they are spending eternity in hell. However, I think when we realize how wonderful our God is we will understand and agree that those who rejected Him just cannot be with Him for eternity and that God indeed does what He has told us He will do. He is true to His Word, promises to those who believe, and proclamations of judgment upon all who refuse to believe in Him.

Our God is the most necessary, valuable, and desirable Being for any of us. Without Him we would not be. For those who have rejected Him, eternal separation from Him is the deepest grief and suffering one can ever experience. But, Hallelujah, to those who are reconciled to Him, He is the greatest treasure and pleasure we could ever know. He is worthy of all of our love, devotion, and praise! In this life, we who believe have a foretaste of Him, but in heaven we will be completely satiated and satisfied in Him.

Genesis 1:26-28,

Bro Spencer,

Amen. I agree with much that you have stated here in this thread.

I believe that we should all agree, that the Bible is God's Word, and I believe we are to read the words literally. Another good reason to read the bible in a literal manner is because Jesus Christ took it literally. From time to time, Jesus quotes directly from the OT. When Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, he answered using quotes from the OT., God's commands in Deuteronomy 6:13, 8:3, are literal, and Jesus used them in this manner.

So, if Jesus shows us in scripture that He took the bible literally, I believe we should too!

God Bless.

Thanks for your care T.Levy !

But, i think you are assuming that "man" and "person" has the same meaning in this ancien text, wich they not.

If they were the same, you couldnt explain the Jacob's passage wich is the mtter of this thread.

A piece of advice is...If you decide to read ancient books, dont assume or give anything for granted. Archaic english can give a whole new meaning to this passages. Cuestion, study and be enlighten.

Joy !

If a family member does not go to heaven because they never received Salvation, will I know that they aren't in heaven?

In reply to cheryl dunhams question: since melchisedec had no earthly (father ) and no earthly ( mother ) and no earthly (beginning of days ) or ( end of life ) but was ( made ) like unto the ( son of god !! ) it is fair to say that he just ( is ).

which is to say : he is beneath the great ( i - am !!! )

but above we humans of ( birth !! ) because he was ( made !!! )

so he has to fall under the catorgory of (just - is !!! )

I'm not being funny, but I noticed over a period of months, that when people slam a arm in the car door or hit the hand with a hammer, fall over things:

Two things happen, they say oh god, and grab the hurting part with the unhurt hand. They call on God and lay hands on. I thought Wow, does this happen a lot? And it does.

I never remarried. I took care of both parents till they died (10 years apart). By then I was more involved in ministry. If both persons are not in ministry__the scripture, how can two walk together unless they be agreed? I wanted to read scripture a lot. Watch news. I wanted to pray and sing praises without the "you sound like a choking frog" comments. :D

Signs happening right now, that will increase in intensity (as a woman's labor pains)

Matthew 24, Luke 21,

2 Timothy 3:1-5 and 13

We know that 3 things will start forming up:

One World Currency..

One World Religion.The Green Deal

One World Leader.. Rich, Powerful, Charismatic,

Rapport With Leaders

I have a question? Why is our Economy being destroyed.