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The first four verses involving touching the dead or a leper certainly can raise some controversy. It should be remembered that first of all there was a ceremonial uncleanness from such things which were not sin (although result from being in contact with a fallen world). Secondly; the fact that Naaman the Syrian was healed at a later date by the Prophet (Elijah or Elisha can't remember which); it stands to show a forerunner of sorts of Christ being able to cause healing to breach that gap with the Father.

Verses 5 through 10 show the law of restitution with a one fifth addition to payback. It also indicates how this transgression can be forgiven at that time when the party affected cannot be recompensed. It appears that is the "trespass" mentioned here; and certainly it would be fair to say that a reformed thief today should attempt to do the same sort of thing; at least for the base amount owed.

The rest of the chapter once again covers a theme quite commonplace in scripture; but not discussed much. The Lord would see fit; in that time for a test to determine when no obvious answer was evident as to whether a wife had cheated on her husband. For adultery; the death penalty was the law. This chapter shows how the Lord would disallow for childbearing in these circumstances with a curse. The innocent woman would not be affected. This is sort of an analogy to the book of Kings once again when the bitter poisonous water was made sweet. The truth surely comes out; and those who commit adultery are under a curse unless they get right with God; and that would include getting out of marriages considered such in scripture as well.

Thanks for your explanation, JC Servant, which I can certainly agree to. Though when I first looked at the question by Dorothy, I mulled over it for a very long time, looking at several Scriptures where these terms were used in the NT. And even after giving some time over this question, I still wasn't able to come to any conclusion as to why Jesus sometimes used the personal pronoun & at other times used the phrase, Son of Man.

For example, in Mark 14:21 we read, "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born."

And then in verses 24 & 25, "And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many...Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

If Jesus uses 'Son of Man' in verse 21, would He not also say (in v 25), 'This is the Son of Man's blood of the new testament...Verily the Son of Man says unto you, He will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that the Son of Man drinks it new in the kingdom of God.'

Or, back to verse 21, using the personal pronoun instead, 'I indeed goeth...but woe to that man by whom I am betrayed...."

If anyone has thoughts why Jesus chose to use that term in some of His Words to the people & then at other times uses the personal pronoun. There could be some nuance in eastern thought & expression that prompts such usage at various occasions of verbal expression. Some have suggested that it was the Gospel writers' choice to use them since it was their recollection of events & words spoken & not necessarily Jesus' Words, which of course can't be ascertained. Maybe what we might learn will then help Dorothy with her question.

Where not to find him once you know how to look. Genesis Iis foundational to seeing Him and the New Testament interpretations that point out Christ should be given considerable weight. Virtually all Bible characters reveal Him in both similarities and contrasts, beginning with Adam. Roman 5 shows both the points if similarity and dissimilarity meant to highlight Christ's superiority.

Christ is revealed in His preincarnate appearances particularly to Abraham and Jacob with obvious supernatural characteristics. Melchizedek is a mysterious revelation of Christ that suggests Christ would be able to latter appear and act in a clearly human form.

Joseph is a clear Christ figure with very few flaws that can be pointed out to contrast with Christ. Moses with the bronze serpent and the entire Levitical sacrificial system is a study in Christology. Joshua is in many respects portrayed as a Christ figure and again encounters preincarnate appearances of Christ Himself. David also has Christ like qualities and contrasts. When David or any believer falls and is shown grace, Christ is at the foundation of that mercy according to promise in the Old Testament, and clearly proclaimed in the New. And of course all saving revelations in prophesy and messianic psalms all find fulfillment in Christ.

To be worth preaching all sermons at some point need to show Christ in any passage either by way of revealing Him directly, revealing Him indirectly through obvious contrasts to Him or revealing Him in how He impacts and divides believers and unbelievers.

Hi Steven.

Welcome to the site!

Go over the link Brother Adam given you and go to the Lord in prayer.

Please continue with us,

There's many on the site that would love to help.

May God bless you on your journey.

I know idols can be anything you put before God. Would praying to "saints" or Mary be considered idols?

Thank you for the quick reply!R

Hey Keith,

We must not look for one country, when the beast ascends from the bottomless pit and Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to him Revelation 13, this world will change. The ten horns of the beast are ten kings/leaders, they give their strength and power to the beast. We do not know what nations and armies they will control, but we do know it will be the nations of the world.

The battle of Armageddon will start just before the return of Jesus, Revelation 19:11. The ten kings/leaders, along with the beast and false prophet will make war with Jesus, Revelation 17:14 we know what happens Revelation 19:19-21.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Donna.

I fully agree with Jc.

I normally don't like to add to anything so well stated if there's no improvement.

This is just a side note.

Jesus is referred to as the "Son of Man" 88 times in the New Testament. In fact, Son of Man is the primary title Jesus used when referring to Himself Matthew 12:32; 13:37; Luke 12:8; John 1:51). The only use of Son of Man in a clear reference to Jesus, spoken by someone other than Jesus, came from the lips of Stephen as he was being martyred Acts 7:56.

Son of God.

Son of Man.

These are both titles of Our Blessed Saviour. The title Son of God, emphasised His Divinity, and that He is "part" of the Trinity, and God Himself. The Title Son of Man is from Daniel and emphasises His humanity and His messianic purpose in coming to save us, as it points back to the prophecy, which it fulfills. Rapture included.

God bless.

Hi Steven, this site has a page about that:

Link

John 3:22 --- suggests that Jesus baptized others

John 4:1-2 ---- suggests that maybe Jesus oversaw the baptisms, but that His disciples actually carried it out

Well stated Jc!!

Not much one can add and in context.

God bless.

Psalms 68:11 is more accurately translated by Hebrew scholars as; The Lord speaks ; many,many women spread the good news.- Heb" the ones spreading the good news (are) a large army" The particliple translates " the ones spreading the good news is in feminine plural form. And apparently the great good news here was in regards to the announcement that enemy kings have been defeated. ( publishing an announcement) see verse 12

What must i do to be saved? Do you have steps i can take? Can you list and send me please

Steven

Hi Bruce.

No there isn't any scripture that says he baptized anyone with water.

I often hear some say they

"believe" he did but that is conjecture.

But ww do know by way of scripture he baptizes today!

Matthew 3:11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

God bless.

Hi Chris.

The type of fruit is not given.

perhaps God didn't want the emphasis being on the fruit but rather it being on the deed and what the tree was called.

"the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,"

Genesis 2:17.

God bless.

Gigi in regards your comments on Exodus, and number 10 in your list the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt in no way were they soften by anything. They we're treated badly

Barbara, Wisdom is the fear of God, without that, nothing else means anything. Learn to fear God, and you will prosper in knowledge.

God Bless

where to find Jesus in the old testament

Hello Mishael,

My thinking on this goes along with what Jesus said to His disciples in Mt. 28:18

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." God created the universe and all creatures, He has the dominion and authority ( Dan. 4:34-35, Jude 25) over all. He is the Only True Wise Sovereign. When Jesus was incarnated, He still possessed all of His divine nature and attributes. He was still sovereign. Yet, in Philippians 2:5-6 we are told that He emptied Himself. He did not empty Himself of His divinity because that is impossible (God does not change in His nature) but it means that He lay aside His manifested glory and submitted to the Father in all things, though He is equal in all things to the Father. While living in on earth, Jesus did not exercise all of His inherent qualities in order that His mission of salvation would be fulfilled. If He exercised these inherent qualities on earth, no one could have done any harm to Him. But He allowed this to occur and chose the scourging and the cross and death. During His death and after His resurrection, He went into hell to disarm the powers there, triumphing over them and went to heaven to receive the Father's permission to once again express His power, authority and dominion as it was before He was incarnated.

Therefore, when He said this to His disciples in Matthew 28, He was letting them know where all of their authority and dominion comes from-Jesus-not themselves. So, I do not believe that believers have been given authority nor dominion because Jesus said that ALL authority belongs to Him. We can have dominion and authority through Jesus only, in His name, but we do not inherently possess it like Jesus. It is borrowed from Him. So, in our standing as children of God, we can stand against the Satan and his fallen ones by the authority of Jesus only. We can, In Jesus' name send demons and their influences away from our lives and the lives of our loved ones and we can ask and receive help and healing

What was the fruit eaten.by Adam ans Eve.?

They weren't heroes, they were people and a land. Can you imagine talking to God, to see Him? There were fears, loneliness, anger ( Sarah whooped up on Hagar) living out the condition of man- and God was gently teaching them to trust. Their mistakes He blessed but separated them to continue on the path God intended. God always wants to bring everyone into His path, we frail souls keep choosing our own.

Hello QueenB, love your screen name!

I think that Joseph died before Jesus' ministry, and Jesus, being the eldest must have been responsible for His mother's care. Most likely His brothers, James, Judah, Simeon, and Joses, cared for Mary within their families. But it also seems that Mary followed Jesus in His ministry. So, she most likely was close to the Jesus commits the care of His mother into the hands of John, most likely because Jesus' brothers were not believers at this time. But there may be other reasons for this command of our Lord to John.

Is their anyplace in the New Testament that says Jesus baptized his disciples.

Dear Ed,

I guess this is part 3

Death keeps humanity from total destruction of anything good that God has created in us as a whole. think of how corrupt do not mankind had become before the flood in just 10 generations. Only Noah was walking with God in faith. Yet Adam had lived to about year few hundreds years or so before Noah was born along with Seth living even closer to Adam's time. (if the chronologies/geneologies do not skip generations.) It seems that mankind even welcomed relationships with fallen angels!

( Genesis 6 as some interpret it). Satan had a heyday in this pre-flood time. His work in mankind brough about the a humanity that acted more like Him than creatures made in God's image.

So, in this sense, death was a merciful judgment for our sin because God, in His foreknowledge knew this would happen to humanity if they lived forever like Satan and his fallen angels, and in knowing all things, the plan of the Godhead was to redeem humanity from sins and death to a better existence than that of the original humans created at the beginning (Adam and Eve)

God determined that man, being mortal would receive a salvation from sin that Satan and his fallen angels would never receive. So, in this, His judgment of Satan is more severe than that of death for us. We have the hope of the resurrection to eternal life where there will be no sin. This is the final victory over Satan and sin, which originated with him. God triumphs in and through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ over sin and death, but most markedly, over Satan, despoiling him of power and devices upon all who believe in Jesus.

When we think that Satan was indeed the top angels among all the ones created by God, in the end he will have the lowest place possible of all God's creatures. Thus, God's justice is completed.

Dear Ed,

I hope you are helped by these replies. But I as wondering if you were actually asking why, of all that God could determine, was it determined that humans should die if we sin (because the fallen angels did not die); and also, then, why was it decided that the way for man to be saved was for God the Son to be incarnated into human flesh and die for our sins.

That is a much deeper question that the Scriptures do not define very thoroughly. I believe that the answer remains in the councils of the Godhead when the plan for creation and salvation was chosen before anything had been made, even before the angels were created. So, any explanation by man is opinion, but we can base our opinion on what we know about God's character revealed in Scripture and nature.

For me, I think that God decided that death would be the result of sin because He is Life and Holiness itself. Therefore, sin not only is disobedience and rebellion towards Him, but it also makes us corrupt and unholy, and unworthy of being in relationship with God or receiving eternal life in heaven with Him, (which is what He purposed for us to receive). Death does not allow us to have any of these wonderful benefits. It permanently separates us from God and His goodness (which is always benevolent to His living creatures). In death, we cannot benefit from the beauty and majesty of creation or the joy of relationships with one another or any other good that God has bestowed on all of creation. Death demonstrates to man that sin is very serious and should not be taken lightly by us. Death reminds us that our sinfulness separates us from God. Death makes us desire salvation.

I also think that God, in His wisdom, decided that the penalty for sin is death because He also knew ahead of time that Satan and his fallen angels (who do not die) would become totally corrupt and evil and irredeemable. He knew that if man did not die, we would be come just like Satan. Death spares us from being like him.

Hello Ed. Good to meet you here.

Romans 6:23 states that the wages of sin is death. This is exactly what God told Adam and Eve would happen if they disobeyed His command concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2Cor. 5:21 says that He (the Father) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we may become the righteousness of God in Him (Jesus). Jesus took the totality of the sins of all humanity upon Himself on the cross to pay the full penalty of sin that we deserved for us. In His suffering and death the Father spent His wrath upon Jesus for our sins, effecting forgiveness for us. Also, He exchanged our sins for his righteousness through His death for us.

Jesus said to the disciples in the Last Supper Discourse that greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. (15:13) Here the Lord is telling of His death as the greatest act of love He can do for them (and us who believe). So, His death is His sacrificial love poured out for our benefit not His. the removal of our sin from us by His death reconciles us to God in such a way that we become friends of God instead of enemies; allows God to look upon us instead of away from us because He cannot look upon sin. We have the righteousness of God in us instead of our sinfulness. Hell is just this, God tuning away from those who remain His enemies due to their unbelief. This is because their unbelief prevents them from accessing the benefits of Christ's atoning death. They will forever be without God, without His mercy, without His grace, without His salvation.

Jesus' death breaks the power of sin in our lives and rescues us from hell and the devil's claim upon us. But even more, His death brings to us a future with God in heaven forever. Salvation is not just for this life, but for the life we will receive at the resurrection of our bodies. This was won for us through the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus said that He is the Resurrection and the Life. Jn. 11:25-26.

The greatness of my God, the Lord Jesus Christ is His understanding of each of us. Each Saint, even the lost are different. The salvation for each person is the same- the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. However the path of our relationship with the Lord God is different for every Saint.

We are to be encouragers in our walk with others. Having an internet connection is not automatically evil or a dereliction of my faith. With my internet connection I am able to support 8 different ministries around the world. I am able to pray for situations I would not have otherwise known with out my internet connection. My connection allows me to hear and study the Word of God through platforms such as this one. I can hear and sing along with Godly music that lifts my soul. With my internet connection I can earn a little bit to supplement my meager social security benefits and still give to the church and missions as the Lord God leads me.

I don't want to get long on this, so I'll close with this. I'm a retired Christian school teacher, administrator, pastor, Sunday school teacher for over 40 years. I have 5 adult children, of which 4 are in Christian ministry work with their families. (sorry for bragging in Christ name) I have been using the internet for God's work for about 20 years.

I am physically unable to get around as I used too. I currently live with my youngest son who is wheel chair bound. Since the lock downs and such, with out the God given internet I would have a difficult time "worshipping" my God. The Bible tells me that every thing is good, and blessed by the Lord. We are the ones who mess it up, and make it a "dereliction." One of my life's verse is Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." One of my visiting preacher friends said after preaching "if I've stepped on some toes- good! Live with it!"

God bless you all on this forum. Numbers 6: 24-27. March 2, 2022

Please God hear this prayer request for Robert and his marriage. You know his heart and only You can help his spouse be open to reconciling this marriage. Please Holy Spirit flow into this home and bring Your spiritual gifts on Robert and his marriage that will be a testimony for Your glory Lord God I ask in Jesus Christ name

Why do most of the people who believe the truth about salvation, use the King James only?

Could it really be God's only true word in English?

It has definitely happened. Instances where it happened include:

The northern kingdom of Israel suffered it during the latter end of its existence.

2 Kings 6:24-30

The southern kingdom of Judah suffered it during the Babylonian conquests that kept increasing the number of those being led into captivity. Ezekiel was a captivity prophet.

Ezekiel 5:10

Extra biblically, the Donner party is a famous case of famine driven canabalism.

Revelation includes famine and death by hunger as two of the 4 horsemen. Revelation 6:5-8. It is likely horrors like canabalism will occur.