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Hi Rose.

Thanks for your reply,

Here's what I interpret out of the verses you have given. When I look at Revelation 14:1. I take this to be the same 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:4. "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

This group here is 144,000 out of Israel being sealed for service.

And Revelation 7:5-8, reaffirms that these are all Israelites. "No Gentiles"

The group in Rev. 5.9. is said to be the redeemed out of EVERY Nation of all sorts of people of the earth.

Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; " This group is unnumbered "

Also the locations are different.

In Revelation 5 they're around the throne of God,

In Revelation 14:1. They're on mount zion. "Jerusalem. Psalms 2:6.

You said,

"(God said he chose )only 144,000 to reign."

I'm sorry but I don't see where " HE SAID HE CHOSE only "144,000 to reign on earth or in Heaven.

I see that you have a different view.

I just wanted to share mine.

God bless.

Good evening GiGI, It has been a nice day considering world events. Had a little part this morning at Church on thoughts of the Comforter. The Peace of the Comforter is a good peace even while in trials and tribulations. It is Sequim that we are heading for the wedding. Our 20 year old daughter is one of the bridesmaids. The father of the bride was my best man. Both he, his wife new to the area of Sequim and myself joined the Mennonite faith around 30 years ago. My wife has generation after generation of Mennonite background. Ever since this family moved there I have been also thinking of the area as a place to possibly live. I hope you and your husband find just the right property!

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Dear Lord Jesus, How destructive this world has turned into!!! How people have turned against each other over color, money, power, murders, false religion, filth, 3 genders?! The book of Enoch (which was taken out of the bible) for the devil's evil doings tells all about how IT went against the Lord for ITS own deceitful intensions, fooling million of angels to follow IT!!! Enoch says their will be no forgiveness for them!!!!! I pray that the Lord will have mercy on me for I don't always do what is right in His sight!!!! For I am a sinner, still sinning and the Lord has every right to put that rod to my back and put me back on that narrow road for narrow is His way and the broad road leads to destruction!!!! Lord, please watch over my family, keep us in your hand always, for You and Your words are true and faithful, my God of the universe!!! My family and I will sleep in the dust waiting for Your return, 1st time to die, 2nd time to reign!!!!! Amen!! Selah!!!!

You skipped right over the seven times punishment, vs 18.

They were punished seven times = 7 x 360 = 2,520 years

Israel was taken by Assyria in 721 BC +2,520 = 1799 (Ephraim = British)

Judah was taken by Babylon in 604 BC + 2,520 years = 1917 (Judah Balfour Declaration)

Those dates correspond with both houses of Israel; they are significant to understanding who they are.

Hey Suze,

If I may add something else these verses point to. On the tenth day of the month, they were to put up a lamb, and on the fourteenth day of the same month, Passover Day sacrifice the lamb and place the blood on the side and upper posts of the door. Jesus, the Lamb of God rode into Jerusalem on the tenth day of Nisan, and He was crucified on the fourteenth day, Passover Day. He gave up the ghost at the same time as they were sacrificing the Passover lambs.

Jesus is the door and if we enter that door we will be saved as the children of Israel on that night, the first Passover, but His door has His blood on the posts, and we will be saved. We are in Him, and He is in us.

God bless,

RLW

Here in the USA our founding documents Declaration of Independence actually states We The People, to be that Governing 'authority' "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, & institute a new Government, laying it's foundations on such principals''._. To effect Safety & happiness "

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, "

..."the Laws of Nature & Nature's GOD entitled them"._._.a "Duty" to stand & abolish a tyrannical governing body after a "long train of abuses & usurpations, " "duty to throw off such government"

Government / Governors in biblical example would rightfully punish evildoers & protect. 1Peter 2:13-25, 2Peter 2:14,

Here are some notes about the stories referenced in Wisdom 10.

v1: the first formed father = Adam

v3: the unrighteous = Cain

v3: his brother = Abel

v4: the righteous in a piece of wood of small value = Noah's ark

v5: the righteous = Abraham

v5: his son = Isaac

v6: the righteous man = Lot

v7: pillar of salt/unbelieving soul = Lot's wife

v10: the righteous = Jacob

v10: his brother = Esau

v13: the righteous = Joseph

v15: the righteous people = Israel

v15: the nation that oppressed them = Egypt

v16: the servant of the Lord = Moses

v16: the righteous = Israel

v19: their enemies = Egyptians

v20: the righteous = Israel

v20: the ungodly = Canaanites, etc.

Hello Holly. I'm unsure which Scripture you're thinking of, nor of the word 'announced' (maybe a misspelling), but I'll use 1 John 2:27, "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

You're correct, there were different 'anointings' mentioned in Scripture, & specifically in the NT, in reference to the Holy Spirit and also combined with prayer for healing ( James 5:14). The 1 John 2:27 reference alludes to Jesus' Words about the future coming of the Holy Spirit to the apostles ( John 14:16,17): "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

In that passage, Jesus speaks of the time when He will leave this Earth & leave His beloved friends & disciples. But they should not despair as He would still be with them by His Spirit that He will send to them. So, not only will the Spirit "abide with them forever", but also 'dwell with them & be in them'. This is an intensely descriptive message of Love by Jesus, that at no time will His disciples (& us, by extension), would ever be without His loving, comforting, & guiding Presence. They would never be in this world of darkness & evil without the Lord's watchful care. Then at Pentecost, that Presence came & they were anointed with the Spirit & filled with His Presence to be children of God serving Him in joy, power, & hope. And that same anointing comes to each one who confesses their sin & truly believes in Jesus & His Power to save them.

John 14:23, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him", is Jesus' Promise to us.

I am also reading the Old Testament and have got to Leviticus which is the basic rules for practicing Jews as in The Talmud and is 3000 years old.

How do we relate these rules to modern day living?

In Genesis chapters 12 to 50, there is only one Covenant, that God made with Abram.

Genesis 12:1-3, the Covenant made. But of this Covenant, several 'expansions' to it were made to fully express it. And they are:

Genesis 15:18, God ratifies that Covenant in a national perspective.

Genesis 17:4-6,16, God ratifies that Covenant in an international perspective.

Genesis 17:7, God ratifies that Covenant as an Everlasting Covenant.

Genesis 17:10-14, God ratifies that Covenant by an act of circumcision (also in Stephen's message in Acts 7:8).

So, if you're thinking of these 'aspects' of the Covenant, then one can see & appreciate several Covenants. However, I believe most would deduce that only one Covenant was made with Abram, which composed of these four separate parts of the One.

Verses 1 through 12 indicate covenant blessings for obedience; but the section 13 through 43 are almost 3 times longer where there are warnings of cursing for disobedience. Notwithstanding; there are promises in the last three verses that the covenant would still remain UNbroken (v. 44); and that the ancient promises would still be ultimately remembered. God according to Christ "chastises everyone He loves." ( Heb. 12:6). This can be in regard to an individual; but also the promises ultimately mentioned in Romans to the Jews who are now "blind in part" ( Romans 11:25) until the "full number of Gentiles has come in." This could refer to the Rapture as many commentators suggest; but the full supplication will not occur until around the time of Armageddon when they shall "mourn for the One they pierced" ( Zech. 12:10).

We do well as a nation to study these verses on Israel. In some sense; we are still held under the statement "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you." ( Gen. 12:3). God judges the nations as He pleases (and does all things as He pleases according to Psalm 115:3; 135:6-etc.) All calamities are at least indirectly related to sin; whether our own personal ones; or society at large in a fallen world. We can't always attribute a particular event as a proof of this; however; as Christ's comment on the falling of the tower of Siloam and the blood mixed with the sacrifices indicated in Luke 13:4. There are plenty of things here and in Deuteronomy; however which are usually specific toward Israel; then directed toward other nations in later prophetic scriptures when the end comes such as Isaiah; Jeremiah; and Daniel. This; of course reaches its climax in Revelation. Once again; we see the importance of covenants. We have eternal promises that He will remain with us forever in the New Testament; provided of course that He has chosen us and evidence of good fruit

The Israel firsters claim that Israel will live forever. They are on YT spilling their nonsense. These people don't read the Bible, and even if they did, they would make up their own minds to spin the results in Israel's favor. Tell them what will happen, that Israel will be invaded, and they don't believe God would do that to them. Won't the proud be surprised when fitted with color and chain.

May God be with you and I want you to remember this. Lean not on your own understanding but with all your heart trust him.

Dear Emory, may the peace of our Lord Jesus be upon you.

I'm so sorry to hear you are experiencing the pain, I too have had times of daily pain, and it can begin to feel like the new 'normal'. May God have mercy on you and bless you. Jesus loves you and knows what you are going through, and all you have need of.

Please consider listening to the song on Youtube - 'Jeff & Sheri Easter, Charlotte Ritchie - Praise His Name' - which can be very encouraging through difficult trials.

I pray that the Lord will heal you swiftly, bringing rest to your body and may Jesus comfort your body, emotions and precious soul. To God be the glory.

Elect= chosen 1Peter 1, Colossians 3, Luke 18:1-33, 2Timothy 2, * John 17,

Hopefully these are helpful

I was wondering, sister!

First of all it is extremely important to see how 1 Peter 3:19-20 fits with the overall themes of the first 3 chapters of 1 Peter and especially the theme Peter is giving instructions about just prior to giving his audience this revelatory information to understand how this information was intended to benefit them. We should be cautious in drawing interpretations from these two verses that make them sources of pure speculation in support of doctrines that have nothing to do with Peter's reason for including them with the instruction and exhortation he is giving his audience.

1 Pet 1:6-7 makes it clear these Christians are in a season of being tempted and tried by persecution. The first three chapters give numerous encouragements and exhortations to perseverance in both character and faith in Christ. They connect the rejection these believers were facing with the rejection Christ endured and their need to show the same purity of character and patience Christ showed in the face of false accusations. They are warned against practicing the deeds they are being accused of or that their accusers do, since suffering for that is not blessed but rather is deserved, but suffering as Christ did is blessed and will be vindicated.

The vindication of the sufferings of Christ and those who believe in Him and the long-suffering patience of God in withholding His judgement on the deserving disobedient until the appointed time are all in view in 1 Pet 3:19-20. All of it is like the time of Noah, when wicked men brought on God's judgement, but Noah had to maintain both His character and his faith in preparing the Arc while they mocked and spoke evil of Him, prompted by demonic activity, until Noah's salvation was ready and God sent the flood.

The spirits imprisoned as a result of the flood are either the disobedient men or demons of Noah's time. I'm fine either way. Christ, quickened by the Spirit, preached to them (God's full vindication) after He died and before He rose.

Thank you very much GiGi, I really appreciate this. May Jesus bless you today.

Yes, Gog and Magog are people who migrated northward to the far north of Israel, which would be Russia. Meshech and Tubal are people who settled in the area north of the Black Sea, today's Ukraine, southern Russia and Georgia. Gog is identified as the son of Rosh, which is now Russia. These peoples are descended from Japheth (Noah's son)

Ezekiel 38 and 39 speak about these peoples who come against Israel in war.

David's life was quite complex . He sinned more than once and even though God forgave him , there were still consequences that had to b endured . Because David failed to apply the law correctly when his son Amnon raped his daughter Tamar , this gave occasion for all of Israel including Absalom who was Tamar's brother , to speak against David . And my guess is that they did , Absalom was handsome and he had a just cause in the case of his sister . The seeds were sown hear . It's all very much typical human behaviour . If u have laws then they should b for everyone and should always b applied perfectly . There was no place for forgiveness in the law of Moses . David , as a type of Christ , points to the new covenant of forgiveness in Christ . David is forgiven for his sin regarding Bathsheba and her husband , David forgives his son Amnon but fails to take into account that Absalom and many others probably wanted the law to be applied properly . This is what happens when we try to mix the two covenants , it gets complicated . If we r for the law then we must b for all the law and stick to them all perfectly . We can't pick and choose which laws we r happy with and which we feel like ignoring , or we end up in the same kind of mess that David did . Christ is our righteousness . If righteousness could b achieved under the law then we wouldn't have any need for Christ . He would have died a pointless death .

Matthew 18:2-14, Mark 9:36-37, Mark 10:13-15,

KJV definition of child: Exodus 21:22, starts in womb, 1Kings 3:7-10, Matthew 2:1, Psalms 131:2, Ecclesiastes 4:13, Hosea 11:1,

A child has to trust for every provision

Hopefully these are helpful

Thank you Alisa.

Thank you David

Donna, you are a blessing to me as well. we definitely compliment each others' personalities. I thank you for your faithfulness in prayers for me and so many others.

Thank you Anna.

Hello Sally, I will pray for you today.

Dear Lord Jesus, Sally and I bring before You this marriage and Felix in particular. Bring healing to this marriage so that it can continue in love and respect. Bring Felix to see his need for You and salvation from his sins. Cause him to cry out to You and find You faithful to save all who call on You. May Sally and Felix grow in love for You together as You repair the brokenness between them. We ask for these things in Your name Jesus. Amen.

Dear Victoria,

I am so sorry for your loss and the discord that is happening as a result. I will pray for you today.

Dear Lord Jesus,

We ask you today to bring comfort and healing to Victoria and the families of this grandson. We ask that those in the family who are being insensitive and selfish will be convicted of their error in this and ask for forgiveness and seek the mending of the family relationships. We ask that You will cause the judge to make the best decision in this case. We ask that You will assist Victoria in her grief and the trauma of seeing this horrible slaying of her grandson. Lord Jesus, we pray in your name, Amen.

Please Lord God allow Margaret and her husband to conceive a child as testimony for Your Glory. You know Margaret health issues I ask in Jesus Christ name

May I suggest you reflect on 1 Chronicle 4:10.

Reply - what does the Bible mean in 1947 this will be the generation that will see second coming ? Thank you very much

Is Russia mentioned in any way in the Bible by means of another name, such as Gog?