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Dear Valerie,

It means not to live for the worldly things, we are to live for Christ.

Taking up our cross to follow Christ means we should have a commitment to giving up our worldly dreams, possessions, and change our life, and strive to live a new life.

Matthew 16:24

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

How many people want to hear and acknowledge this, and change?

God Bless

Jim In the Gospel of luke 13:28 who was he speaking to was it not the ruler of the synagogue starting in verse

15 and most if not all of those were corrupt. The key to this discussion is Abraham and those before the law

believed God and it was counted unto them for righteousness then when the law which nobody walked all the time

untill our Saviour who fulfilled and completed the law. Those doing the best they could by the law Luke 1:6

Zacharias and Elisabeth were blameless in the law it doesn't say faultless! Now as it says Hebrews 11:8-10 by faith

or believing Abraham looked for a city who's builder and maker was God does that not describe Paradise to come.

Jim Given everything you showed you are correct He was both, but also their is a physical seed man and a spiritual

seed which is what Genesis 3:15 is talking about because physically a woman does not produce seed. This what

occurred when Mary said to Gabriel be unto me according to thy word and God created in Mary that seed to produce

by the flesh Jesus Christ who Had to have perfect sinless blood because the life of the flesh is in the blood! Therefore

also the line of the physical traced back to david and eventually the believing line to abraham and to the original Adam.

So the first adam corrupted in blood line the second adam sinless blood and never sinned and perfect sacrifice for ours.

You said that Jesus is the word made flesh. I agree with that. That does not say that Jesus is God.

It says the only begotten of the Father. God is his father. Who was Adams father? God.

Adam= the first Adam. Jesus is described as the last Adam. God is the Father of them both. Neither had an earthly father. Adam had it easier. He didn't have an earthly mother.

When he sinned he did it deliberately. He was not deceived like Eve. Adam follow Eve instead of God.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

You asked me if I believed those scriptures. Of course I believe those scriptures. All scriptures are from God. One thing you have to realize is that what we have is the word in translation from the original. That we have to read carefully.

Jesus Christ came on this earth to provide salvation to those who look to him.

You mentioned devils and evil spirits. From the scriptures where would you go to describe what they are.

Psalm 78:49 is dealing with God destroying Egypt. Those angels were doing Gods will.

Notice what it says in verse 7. I make peace, and create evil.

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Your right about 1 John 2:16. Now go back to Gen 3:6. That is was Eve was tempted by. Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life.

Are you saying that all humans existed prior to conception as a spiritual being with God? If so, that view is not supported by Scripture nor the teaching of the church through the centuries. Mormons teach this view. To me, it is heresy.

Hi Rick

you are right. The old testament is still important.

Consider Acts 17

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

When these people searched the scriptures daily. Was it the old or new testament they searched.

It was the old. The new hadn't been written yet or it was being written. They wouldn't have accepted new writings.

Understanding Genesis is extremely important to understand the rest of the bible.

Good afternoon, Millard, I agree in that the Son of God has no beginning and no end, and Jesus was the incarnate son of God. But Jesus is also fully human along wit being God, so His humanity had a beginning at conception. Both natures are in the Person of Jesus forever, but before His human conception, He was forever the Son of God only.

Hi Rick

Jesus in the Old Testament.

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

In the new testament they ask John if he were that prophet. They say in John that Jesus is that prophet.

Joh_6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Who came from Jesse. DAVID

The promise to David.

2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

This is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ who is the seed of David and the seed of God.

Consider verse 14.

speaking with other tongues the bible says just means speaking another language,

[ Act 2:4 KJV] 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

someone who has this gift we would say in today's language that they are bilingual, Gods Spirit moved on some of the early believers for a sign of others around them that HEY this is of GOD.

well this ultimately pictures Christ Jesus who was truly the man after Gods own heart

but God does say David was indeed a man after Gods own heart to get a better understanding of this read the book of psalms over 70 were written by David himself showing his love and desire to serve God even when it is difficult

Hi Rick

To continue

There are promises given to Abraham that have not been fulfilled yet.

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

It is given to Abram for ever. Abraham is still in the grave. He will have to be raised from the dead and give immortality.

I'm positive this will happen. He is promised the land and a seed. That seed is Christ.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Isaac and his seed was also promised the land.

Gen 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:

Gen 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Jacobs name is changed to Israel and he also is given the same promise.

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Gen 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

It is important that we have a correct understanding

Luk_13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Thanks for your time.

we do not keep the sabbath as new testament Christians so don't worry yourself you are not in violation

[ Col 2:16 KJV] 16 Let no man, therefore, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

the sabbath was a picture of salvation through Jesus no work on the sabbath and we do no work for eternal life

[ Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Spencer shaw In Romans 12:2 the word conformed[suschematizo] means fashioned in the same way or give over to the pattern of lifestyle or thought sometimes forcibly. That's why its renewed mind to the things spiritual, new man in Christ

which goes against natural man's thinking. 1 John 2:16 Comes to mind.

bible talks about devils and evil spirits, So if you are seeing shadow people that is most likely a devil, evil spirt, or fallen angel tormenting you

[ Psa 78:49 KJV] 49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels [among them].

[ Mat 4:24 KJV] 24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

the verse is implying if you are tormented most likely a devil is to be blamed

the bible refers to these two names as the same person

[ Rev 20:2 KJV] 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

no they were the first people to be created by God, the rest were begotten in their loins

firmament means sky , the heavens or the sky, especially when regarded as a tangible thing

in Israel

Wormwood is an odorous, perennial shrub native to Europe and naturalized in the northeastern, central, and northwestern United States. Its aromatic leaves have a strong sage odor and bitter taste, and its multibranched stems are covered with fine, silky hairs. The plant has a fibrous root system and grows to about 1.2 m tall.

the bible talks about but the water being turned into wormwood in revolution. a punishment God sends to people on the earth in the last days. not that it is actually wormwood implying that its going to be bad to drink

[ Rev 8:11 KJV] 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

the star named wormwood is some angel

well, the bible talks a lot about The New Jerlusomen and the kingdom of God being a mount called mount zion.

[ Psa 48:2 KJV] 2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, [is] mount Zion, [on] the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

from what I understand that is picturing that no one is going to heaven unless they have been cleansed and are holly.

[ Rev 21:27 KJV] 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Hi Rick

You mentioned an apple and I would agree it just says the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The lamb I believe is different. Adam and Eve needed proper covering. They covered themselves with fig leaves. Fig leaves will not cover our sins. The lamb of God will. Jesus in John 1:29,36 is called the lamb of God. When the eunuch was preach to by Philip ( Act 8:32-35) the eunuch was reading from the passage in Isaiah 53:7. Philip preached unto his Jesus. Described as a lamb. When the children of Israel in Egypt were preparing for the passover so that the angel of death didn't kill their first born. A lamb was used. Exodus 12:1-14

When Abraham was taking Isaac to be sacrificed Isaac asked him where the lamb was. It must have been a animal used for burnt offerings.

Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.Abraham also believed in the resurrection. Consider Hebrews 11

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.Notice how important the promises are. What promises is he talking about? The whole chapter is about the promise.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Abraham as of today has not yet recieved the promise.

I'm running out of space. I'II have to start another dialog box to finish this.

yes he does. here the parable of the wicked and slothful servent.

Luke 19:11-27 KJV - And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies,

Someone who is afflicted we say today if someone is really happy that that are good spirt well think the opposite.

here is a example in the bible of someone talking about having a poor spirt

[ Psa 6:2-3 KJV] 2 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I [am] weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed. 3 My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O LORD, how long?

Dr. Lyle Lee Indeed Christ came to fulfill the law which made available the grace we now have the privilege

to walk by daily in Christ!.

Spencer Shaw With all due respect it doesn't say what and I'm not speculating.

Thank you for that prayer.

[ Heb 7:26 KJV] 26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

[1Jo 3:3 KJV] 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

[ 2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[ 1Pe 2:22 KJV] 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

Spencer Shaw I believe sh'e saying the exact opposite but i could be wrong.