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Hey Darren, thanks for answering back, we do agree on the 7 years of tribulation is 3 years or 42 months. You may agree or not, this starts when Satan is cast out in Revelation 12. Many think Satan was cast out long ago but we see in Job he still has access to heaven, in Rev. 12 we see he no longer has access to heaven and they are rejoicing in heaven. Satan (dragon) then gives his power, and his seat, and great authority to the beast, then the great tribulation starts. I'm sorry I don't know where the thousands of years come from.

Back to Daniel in vs. 27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." The he does not change. The same he that shall confirm is the same he shall make it desolate, the scriptures show this is Jesus not a antichrist.

When Jesus was crucified on the cross He caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (the old Levitical covenant animal sacrifices) because Jesus is the final sacrifice. Matthew 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Jesus through his disciples He confirmed for the second half of the week. Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. The 70 weeks ended when Peter had his dream and Paul was sent out.

I would like to continue with this if we both agree to study and be open to the truth. Ron

The proud, like a dead man full of envy and perversion, denies the power of GOD: as IT IS GOD who pours out his wrath on this wicked, evil world that is hell, yea, even on carnal man called humankind. And every plague, and every drop, and every wave, and every wind, and every quake, and every stone, and every icing, and every burning, and every blasting, and every melting, and every tremble, and every casting, and every terrible and dreadful thing is from the quiver of GOD'S right hand; like a sharp shooting arrow, each of them hitting its mark. Yea, the whole earth is full of GOD'S weaponry: and the groanings of the creature will surely and speedily increase till the conclusion of this end. For GOD the Father shall avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him. And to the proud, boastful man, it is written in the Holy Scriptures, and taught of GOD: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a MILLSTONE were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

how do you do it all in one day

Actually we are all just dust as God told Adam who did not know he was created from the dust of the earth until God said "dust thou are and to dust thou shalt return."

I want to thank you Sacha and Carleton for your understanding of my post. This shows me that there are people out there who agrees with God's power of salvation. Now some may think that if God already choose His saved ones, then one can just live anyway he or she likes. This is far from the truth. People who God choose will at the time of God's drawing them, obey His commandments stipulated in His Holy Scriptures, preferably the King James Version because it's the first and most accurate English version.

So no, chosen ones don't live anyway as they like, the Spirit of God will not afford them to. It's God's Spirit that liveth in them overcoming the evil spirit that was inherited in all of us in the garden of Eden. This is good so no man can boost on his or her neighbors whom he or she perceived are going to hell. Hope this helps. God bless you

Isaiah 35:10 touches the subject.

And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

I believe this has come to pass in all born again souls.

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I apologize for the misprint of my question.

This is how it should read: What is the turning point of man's relationship with God?

No opinions please. Biblical facts only. Specifically Chapter and Verse.

Thank you!

What is the turning on man's relationship with God?

For the harvest? Likely it will be soon.

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Foinn ,hi ,i cant speak for any other Christians but i have no idea what the story of Bel and the Dragon 1 is but i think i can guess which was written first between it and the book of Daniel .

Stephanie,

I think he might be referring to what is called the Mishna. The Mishna was a set of 613 rules telling the Jews how to keep the 10 commandments.

Hello Jason,

What that verse is declaring "and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" is not that the Word of God to be changed. It is meaning the Scripture be used for those things upon "us people" to reform, correct, or instruct us in righteousness.

I also had that thought a while ago when reading that verse but it became clear.

Hope that helps. God Bless.

Hello Stephanie,

Just to add to what Skip replied. An easy way to look over the OT Laws are type in "613 Mitzvot laws" on your computer. There are several websites with them all listed, with their links "book, chapter, verse", in the Bible. Just a little easier to look over them but not every single detail will be written as in the Bible.

Hope that helps. God Bless.

Your time line is not accurate according to events. Prophesy doesn't read in a consecutive linear. This prophesy is split up between thousands of years. Jesus' 42 months corresponds with anti-Christ's 42 months, and set side by side, they equate to the last week. I don't expect you to understand it, now. Thanks for your side of it.

In the midst of the week, Messiah was cut off at Calvary.

Darren ,i know a broken heart when i hear one ,it takes one to know one ! Its hard to put into words but i dont belive i need to ,you have eyes and ears and a heart just like mine ,God knows ,everything ,trust Him and rejoice ,i shall keep my eyes open for you in that most marvelous day ,i feel it already ,im so excited ! I think i might burst ! Stay strong ,rejoice ! He is coming !

Hi Stephanie,

They are in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, it is a long read, it covers what sacrifices are needed and more. They started Genesis 1 and when Noah came off the Ark. I think after you start reading you will recognize them, but if you read these books there are more than the laws in these books.

God bless, Ron

Stephanie,

You'll have to read Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. This is where God gives Moses instructions for The Jews to live in The Old Covenant. We live in The New Covenant. The Old Covenant rules are not for us. They can instruct us about how God related with His People, The Jews. But we can be instructed by these things.

"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." 1Co 10:11

Here's what Paul said about the purpose for The Law:

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Gal 3:24

Bob,

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." Lev 19:19

"Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together. Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."Deu 22:9-11

"The Law" is sometimes used to refer to the five books that Moses wrote: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy; but in this case The Law refers to instructions God gave to Moses for the Jewish people living in Canaan.

The Law was given in three areas: moral law, civil law and ceremonial law.

The 10 Commandments were moral law given to the Jews. It began, "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." Exo 20:2

They were not written TO you and me. It us TO the Jewish people at that time. We can be instructed by the 10 Commandments and most of those laws are universal. Christians make the first day of the week as their day of rest.

Regarding garments, these prohibitions were designed to keep the Jewish people separated from the Jewish Priests and separated from the practices of the nations that surrounded them. It was civil (cultural) and ceremonial.

This was The Old Covenant. We are in a different Covenant with God, The New Covenant. The Old Covenant does not apply to us. That's not to say that now it's okay to murder, adulterize and steal. Just read Matthew 5. But wear any blend of fabrics you like.

Jason,

What was it that disturbed you in 1 Timothy 3:16?

Where is it that says that it's okay to change the Word of God?

That Scripture states that all Scripture is breathed out by God and is profitable for

Doctrine--that is telling us truth about God, man, salvation etc.

Reproof--that is telling us what we are doing that's wrong.

Correction--that is telling us how to correct the direction of our lives like STOP doing this and START doing this.

Instruction in righteousness--that is how to live in right standing with God.

Is this the same story of the Daniel and the Lion den in the main text? These are great stories..so someone decided to take this out, but why? Are all the facts, clues, and evidence pointing to it being truth? Who is giving account of this story? Are there other possible interpretations? Would most Christians agree it is a good thing, assuming of course it passes all previous tests?

I think Darren, if you choose, while I have time to participate on this website you may freely read my comments here and there.

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Keep the faith Jerry.

Dear Lissous, I hope and pray that are at peace and rest in Jesus Christ whom was part of "us" in Genesis 1. A true Christian should know this peace and rest and have grace to live in this peace and rest while time remains.

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God never allowed the spirits or satan to overcome us but provided a way through Jesus Christ and the the Holy Spirit to Overcome them.

Darren, This is out of love, many people study prophecies and it can suck you in like treasure hunting. One lead leads to another and in the next clue you will have the answer. I do not know what your mission is but what posts I have read of yours seem based on total speculations other people have made that you want to prove or surpass them. In Matthew 24 The first thing Jesus said to them was "Take heed lest any man deceive you:" One meaning of this is to be taken out of the way. We can be taken out of the way and be like a dog chasing our tail becoming useless to the body of Christ.

In your post, you have taken the prophecy given to Daniel, the 70 weeks that has already been misinterpreted, they put the last week at the end of days, creating the seven weeks of tribulation with the rapture of the church, and more, but the worst, it has millions of people looking for something that is not coming. But you're saying the antichrist has the second half, how can that be if the 70 weeks have been fulfilled already.



It would take too many words to show why this prophecy has been fulfilled but maybe simple math will show it was fulfilled. Take Vs. 25 " from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:" So, when the Messiah shows up is 69 weeks. John baptizes Jesus and His ministry starts and it is clear Jesus was here 3 years, His disciples the last 3 confirming the new covenant to the lost sheep of Israel. The Messiah shows up on the 69th week so anything after this is in the 70th week. Vs. 26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:" This verse does not include the 7 weeks, too long to explain but simple logic, the Messiah came in the 69th week so he could not have been crucified before he showed up. This is short but I hope it makes sense or at least inspires one to search and study for the truth. Ron

I was disturbed by a passage that was said to be Timothy 3:16 that stated:

Timothy 3:16 - " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This gives thought that it's ok to change the word. It's a sin to change the word of God.

All things are possible with God. To choose who to be saved is one of God's great powers. Man don't and man can not possess such a power. I know this is hard to comprehend now because of all the years of being taught that salvation is up to you and me " us", whenever we're ready. If this is the case, then explain how those groups I mentioned, will be saved.

God does not have 2 salvation plans. The Bible says all have sinned including people in the future. The in the book of Revelation, God showed the prophet John all the people who will be in heaven and God gave them each a stone with a new name. Who then would God wait to see who will choose to be saved? God bless you

Brother Dan;

Jesus said to keep "His commandments" in a similar way that "He" Jesus has kept "His Father's commandments".

Jesus both kept and totally satisfied his father in perfect flawless obedience to the law "including the ten commandments!"

After doing this, Jesus put away the first to establish the second! Christ nailed the ten commandments to his cross'

and blotted them out forever! Now, he gives us two commandments, namely, "HIs Commandments" !

I love this audio bible but I would greatly appreciate it if you would also make available an NIV version to choose from.

your broher in Christ,

Arthur

What stands out in this verse is not wearing clothes that are made with two different types of thread.

I'm wondering about the reason why God states this as a thou shalt not.

My guess is that it represents mixture ie: (law and Grace)?

So' excuse me, i need to clean out my closet !!!!!!!! LOL!

All were in denial of what? I have been pondering exactly what you mentioned. What was I before my rebirth? I was already dead spiritually but I died with Christ.

So consider the question did Jesus become God at ascension, baptism, incarnation or before the foundations of the world?

And I? When was my spiritual death? Was it in the garden with my mother Eve? Was it when my father Adam ate it? Or when jesus was on the cross at his desension into Hell? Or was it at my conversion? Or is it daily?

As you can see from my name my theology is already decided on who I am in Christ. I do all thongs through Christ that strengthens me. It is not I who live but Christ in me.