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Chris thought you might find this interesting.

When will or When did the last 3 Years of Daniel Chapter 9 get Fulfilled?

Choice One:

7th Day Adventists take the 'Stephen principle' dying 3 1/2 years after Jesus was crucified thus fulfilling all 70 weeks of Daniel chapter nine's 490 year timeline or what is called the 70 prophetic weeks with each week equaling 7 years. The problem I have with this view although it could be true is that it cannot be proven Biblically or historically when the evangelist Stephen was stoned to death. It really stems from their prophetess Ellen G. Whites supposed vision. I am not going to put my faith in something that cannot be proven with the Bible and Ellen had some false prophecies.

Choice Two:

I hold to the 3 1/2 year war that ended in 70 AD with Jesus giving the unsaved Jews an extra 40 years to repent and believe upon Him as their Messiah. I do so because it, what was known as The Great Revolt, lasted 3 1/2 years, so it is historical, and it also fulfills part of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy as the prophecy not only talks about Messiah coming and dying for sins but also that the 2nd temple would be destroyed which obviously means that Messiah had to come before the 2nd temple was destroyed. There is no getting around that. This prophecy also matches nicely with all the parables, and warnings Jesus gave the Jews in Matthew chapters 20, 21, 22, and 23.

CHOICE 3:

The Book of Revelation talks about a 3 year period. Whether this is an entirely different 3 years than the 490 years of Daniel chapter nine's 70 weeks prophecy or not I feel cannot be proven either way. A 'full preterist' would say this portion of Revelation was already fulfilled in 70 AD also. I have some problems with that. I tend to hold to Revelation's 3 years as different than the Daniel 9 490 years because it seems to be dealing with a different group of people and Messiah had already come and died for sins. I think choice two is the most logical.

All the protesting and tearing down Stautes is this the beginning of the end

Ephesians 2:8 says it is by grace we are saved through faith. it is not by faith alone, but by the grace of god and faith in his son that we receive the gift of salvation. by grace, we cannot earn grace. grace is given to us by a loving merciful god. it is freely given, we must only have faith in his word and in his son jesus christ. remember it is by grace through faith. not of works lest any man should boast. but he is telling us that if you truly believe you will also have works.

Thank you!!!

The son of man will rapture his church in 2026.Dan.12:11-13.Refer the setting up of Al-aqsa/Dome of rock in 691 AD +1335years=2026.

iam a woman who lives alone iam 82 yrs old In this time of great uncertainty i hear many shootings at night I came across this word from Jesus that a time would come to sell my garment to buy a sword I feel for being alone i should buy protection for defending myself now if my home is invaded Can you elaborate on what Jesus said?

Thank you for your blessing LORD you have sheltered me thank you heavenly father,

God won't give us more than we can handle. Thats a lie. I can't handle what I have been living with for 20 years now. People have been nothing but cruel to me. I have been praying to God for 20 years now and have gotten no answer. I have never felt God's unconditional love. I have been let down so many times I am afraid to hope. I have to kill myself. I really don't want to but I have to. I'm not important enough to be saved. God has made that crystal clear to me. God doesn't love me. He never did. I have been there with my heart wide open for God to just ignore me and turn away. I'm killing myself because God never loved me. He ignores me and rejects me. This will never get better. I wish He didn't make me nice but He did. I hope He's happy now that I'm taking my life tonight. God is finally going to get what He wanted.

Dear Ann,

Congratulations! May God bless you richly through your decision to follow Him.

This is a verse on putting on the armor of God that I recommend for all:

Ephesians 6:10 - 6:18

Also, this page has some great growth steps:

Link

You have a great journey ahead of you. May God bless you!

Dear Kay,

May God bless you. Hang in there.

Let God's truth give you hope. Put on the armor of God, resist satan, and think of the positive things.

Ephesians 6:10 - 6:18

James 4:7

Philippians 4:8

Many things are spiritual warfare, but I don't believe all things are. For example, job problems or worry about a virus. In some states the virus is less severe than a normal flu season. Around 7,500 die in the US every day and 10,000 are born, so when the media ignores the top risks and only talks about the lower risks and stirs everyone into a panic it does everyone a disservice, so I would not trust them. Trust God.

God bless!

I am a child of the one and only King who knew me in my mother's womb. Amen and Amen.

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (the dead in Christ) IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 12:5

And she brought forth a man child (JESUS), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (The Son of Man) was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

(Sitting at the right hand of God; where he ever lives to make intercession for the saints) Our Advocate with the Father.

Awaiting the signal that the Church AGE is concluded.

Comment:

Jesus is not going to set foot on the earth during the Caught Up. We meet Him in the clouds. In the blink of an eye: that's fast!

Only the Father knows how much longer we have to survive what's happening on earth.

Mishael

Sometimes it seems the things that God commands of us are impossible (like loving your enemy), but He wants us to trust Him (without faith it is impossible to please God) to do the impossible. We shouldn't avoid malicious, evil people; we should count it all joy that we have an opportunity to do what God has called us to do. We understand that God is in control and He will fight our battles; vengeance is mine says the Lord! We must do what He tells us to do and then we will get HIS reward. When we act according to the flesh them we will get OUR reward according to the flesh.

Chris,

That is a great quote from a great man. It paints a picture of so many things in my mind. Our focus should not be on the horizontal, but the vertical. I am going to print this quote out and put it up in my office. Thank you so much for sharing this!

Upon reading this, and reading some of the comments, how is it concluded that this chapter is talking about a future event or events that have not occurred yet? Show me in this chapter (precepts) or the one before or after if must, that when we get to this chapter, it references future events?

I re-read the whole chapter of Luke 8 and noticed that it is very rich with great things that our Lord did. The Lunatick man at the graves/tombs is a point to also focus on.

How his condition bothered the Lord and moved Him just to go for him in Gedarenes in Galelee. Such that many many evil spirits in this man shouted in unison; and asked;"What have I to do with thee Jesus thou Son of God, Most High?"

Jesus came from Galelee too as the man. He could have known about this man all along, yet waited for the right time to set him free.

At the right time Jesus went for him. Just to go and deliver him. Those demons bowed down before Jesus and begged Him not to sent them to torment before time

After several decades of Bible study, I have discovered two areas where it becomes all but plausible. The rash vow of Jephthah and the scenario of the troubled waters in the NT. The scriptures do not condemn Jephthah but rather exonerate him in Hebrews. Most theologians fail to fully explain the two passages and so I have posed the question to see what you may do with these strange passages. I have some idea but would welcome a second opinion. The blessing of our Lord be on you and yours. Dr. Peter H. Burgess

Few think about that one. There has to be a reason for a premillennial view and a literal reign of Christ on earth. I hold to a premillennial reign of Christ. There are too many time-specific things to think it was meant to be symbolic and I surely don't see any children leading a lion around in our zoos, do you so full preterism has a problem with that.

There has to be those who are going to rule and reign with Christ on earth and Paul tells us that it will be the Christians who were faithful and living for the Lord and there has to be those whom they will rule and reign over. Without abortion , war, and murder going on for 1,000 years, we may see a population that reaches a trillion people. Plus all the women will be healthy with no miscarriages and probably having several babies each instead of one or two.

Comment* help me pray that God should reveal his purpose over my life on earth

But I also think that us Christians have been warning people like a pre-tribber would warn to get right so you can get out of here and not have to take the mark and the post-tribber would say you need to get right with God and begin getting oil in your lamp for the hard times coming.

So all these people being warned know not to take the mark of the beast so some will survive the time of tribulation without taking the mark. This could be another group. I'm just trying to figure out if there could be other possibilities. I can't prove it but I kind of take the one int he filed that is taken is the wicked person who took the mark adn the other one is either a jewish person that was exempt from taking the mark or someone who survived that didn't receive Jesus but also didn't take the mark.

Thoughts?

YOU: One could argue, that Noah too was "taken away" from the flood's destructive work on all living, in which case the farmers & mill grinders would experience the same prospect with the righteous one taken & the unrighteous one left. If this understanding is correct, then the unrighteous who are left are those who will continue into the Millennium. And those taken to be with Christ at His Coming are the elect (v 31) (Israel, not Elect because of salvation, but by God's choosing cf v 22) & they along with the raptured Saints (who come with Christ at His Second Coming) will reign with Him through the Millennium.

ME: The problem with that would be that anyone who takes the mark of the beast which might be tied into the noahide laws (not sure and time will tell), will not repopulate. They are damned for ever once they make that choice. Revelation tells us this 7 times. Those that are alive and remain UNTO the coming (parousia) of the Lord will be raptured (post-trib) and be glorified with a new body to reign with Christ on earth. So it can't be those two types of people.

Either some people are going to be exempt from having to take the mark and why I lean toward the noahide laws for the one reason I mentioned before that these are meant for gentiles only. Also, Leviticus says to not put any mark on one's body so in an attempt that a small portion of Jews go back under the law of Moses, this would be another reason. 3rd reason of course is the beheading clause in noahide laws' sublaws. This is why I am leaning that way and it makes sense as the government over there has put a huge illuminati pyramid with the eye of Horus on top of their supreme court building.

Robert, that's an interesting question: who will repopulate the Earth in the Millennium? You're correct that the "taking away" in verse 39 refers to the wicked of Noah's day, but can that phrase be used in the same way for vv 40, 41?

Three most important rules in Biblical interpretation are context, context, context. Verse 39 tells us WHO these next two verses are talking about. There is no reason to try to read in a pre-trib rapture when it already tells us who the who is.

PART 2:

Israel is the fig tree in many other verses but not this one. This is what got me really reading God's Word when I found out that 99% of people taught that that verse was speaking of Israel. I found other problems with these teacher's teachings on end times.

How about "The Time of Jacob's Trouble". It is only mentioned one time in all of scripture and it seems to be something that happened around 2,500 years ago and was already fulfilled. Many verses that have already been fulfilled are being used today as 'future' prophecies. I am open to some being a double fulfillment but I know a full preterist would say to me you can't justify it and they may be right trying to justify an already fulfilled prophecy and saying it has a future fulfillment too. The full futurist would say none of them have been fulfilled which is incorrect. I can go off into dispensationalism and all of that other stuff. You think if there were 7 to 17 dispensations as is taught in the modern pre-trib rapture movement, you think God would have had the word in the Bible at least 7 times but it is only in scripture 4 times and always speaks of the Old and New Covenant so it cannot be justified Biblically.

All very easily debunkable. Just have to get out the E-sword (free Bible software download) and do a word search, read each passage in its biblical and historical context and presto, you know what it is saying. If I can do it, anyone can. God is not a respector of persons if someone is really seeking truth and God's holiness.

I just hope some people will start just searching their hearts and asking God to show them if there is anything false in them. As soon as I hear someone say, "we need more than the word of God" I have to question what they are about to say and I think this may be why I originally wrote this article.

God Bless!

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The Sacred Cowtipper (my nickname for newcomers)

Is Israel the "fig tree" in Matthew 24:32?

Not sure if you fell for this one, but I did for 30 years. The fig tree in Matthew 24:32 IS NOT Israel. How come so many teachers got that wrong? Is it that they don't know what a metaphor or parable is or were they so lazy as to not read the other two synoptic gospels were a tiny detail was given that totally debunks that? That is what I did for decades - GUILTY!

This is called a logical fallacy- what they taught CAN'T be true if it contradicts elsewhere. They will continue to teach that though although some no longer use that passage because guys like me showed them they can't and be honest.

Here it is: Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. Notice in verse 29, that it has that extra part to it -AND ALL THE TREES.

This is so easy to interpret. Jesus is merely saying when you see all of these 20 signs I am giving you here HAPPENING ALL AT THE SAME TIME, it is like a fig tree [which is common in that area] and ALL OF THE OTHER TREES getting their spring flowers, the flowers falling off and the leaves shooting forth. Jesus is saying THE END OF THE AGE and MY RETURN will be in that generation.

He was just making a comparison of natural things around that area. In other words,

20 SIGNS = END OF AGE AND MY RETURN. It is that simple. How they got this fig tree was Israel IN THIS PARTICULAR VERSE, I don't know. Maybe back to that laziness. I was too lazy to study it for myself and just bought it hook, line and sinker when I was taught it but many who didn't study it for themselves. I was brainwashed for 30 years to believe that because I didn't question the teaching.

Israel is the fig tree in many other verses but not this one. This is what...

Good morning Chris. How about we tackle one thing at a time as there are many things in Matthew 24 that I missed for decades that I started seeing differently. Why I call myself a dual fulfillment prophecy person. One of those is that one chapter has three different greek words for the word world and for good reason. I used to think it was always 'cosmos' because I was too lazy to look up every word. Anyhow, let's look at this one fallacy I ran into which was the first thing I noticed I was taught wrongly when I was pre-trib for 30+ years. Here it is.

Let's take the fig tree in Matthew 24:32. I wrote an article on it a few years back.

limited on space so I will send in two replies.

Comments about John 1 v 12 KJV . This v 12 is trying to tell us something in the spirit."Even them that believe on his Name " like in Namesake a grandson ( Gods GRANSONS which are spirits )Who is he speaking of not BORN of BLOOD, nor of the will of MAN , nor of the will of FLESH ( CARNALLALITY SATANS SEAT ) He is not speaking of US, this is about the Namesake the H.G. THAT HAS TO BE BORN in us SINNERS, Its the H.G that comes in his NAME,Jesus said the Father wd send the H.G in MY NAME via his seed the WORD. Several times Jesus said blessed is he that comes in the NAME of the LORD THATS THE H.G. that comes in his Name. Its the H.G. that is not born of flesh nor blood , nor of the will of man. he is not a flesh and blood being but a spritual being that has to be born in US. Its the H.G. that can only be born by the will of God,not by the WILL OF ANY MAN BUT ONLY BY THE WILL OF GOD. As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the H.G. The only way we can become the Sons of God is by the BIRTH OF CHRIST IN US SINNERS WHICH IS THE BIRTH OF THE H.G. THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. When John mentions NAME that rings a bell .Jesus said the FATHER ( the one who sows that good seed jesus ) will send the H.G IN MY NAME.Even in the natural we all know that whosoever sows the seed is the father of the child his Name (sake) the H.G. Thats y he came, to make mankind righteous via a good seed the word the contents of the new covenant, That Book . I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest and i will put my WORDS IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS ETC.Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed etc even by the Words of God.The blood is also the Word as Jesus was the WORD MADE FLESH AND BLOOD,Thats y he says you are made clean by the Word i have spoken unto you.When he said Blessed are them that come in the name of the lord thats them that have the H.G. his name sake the gransons,the children of Promise.Whosever receives one such Child in my NAME receives Me

NO ONE can hide from GOD. It's foolish to think that what we do or say is not known by our Creator. Knowing this, I have grown in my spiritual walk on how to act before my GOD.

The ungodly MUST beware! GLORY!!!

On the question asked by Willie concerning verse 27 of Luke 10. "Love your neighbor as yourself". The Lord himself gives the answer. My fellow man (demonstrated by the wounded man and the loving actions of the Good Samaritan.) I believe that is best understood as a radius. In other words true love begins with our love of the Lord first, then radiates out to our closest neighbors. 1) Ourselves (a healthy love of who we are as God's creation and his purpose for our life.) 2) if married, my next closest neighbor is my spouse. You live with them the day and night. Love them as Christ loves his Church. 3) your kids 4) your parents, grandma and grandpa 5) your extended family (Aunts, Uncles, Cousins.) 5) your actual next door neighbor! How often And long do we live in an neighborhood or an apartment building for 5, 10 or even 20 years and not know or show love to our neighbor! 6) Friends and Associates. 6) Co-workers (that includes the Boss lol). 7) anyone we come in contact with in Church in particular, the grocery store, the bus or subway. On the train, plane. At the party or the funeral. Black people, White people, Brown people, Yellow people. Fellow Christians, Muslims, Mormons, Mexicans, Italians and Africans, the stranger, immigrants, foreigners. The hurting, the helpless, the hopeless, the bruised and 'wounded'. You get the picture - Show God''s to Everyone Everywhere!!! No matter who they are. Love God. Love yourself. Love your neighbor.

I really need to speak with other Christians. I have had a hard time in the past months. I feel like the devil has been trying to block me for receiving God into my life. As a Christian how do you help yourself to fight this battle. I start to study my word post to others about his greatness then the next thing I'm attack. Family, friends people will say oh you all religious now or they will bring up an old sin. I really need some scripture that will help keep me to focus. I want to enter into the kingdom. I want God to grant me that gift. This week I loss my job in education of 20 years. I was a Social Case Worker in crisis and intervention. I helped homeless, all kinds of victims who have been children and adults. I'm not sure what will happen next but God has stated not to worry according to his word. I trying to live by faith. In the morning I have to meet with our personnel commission to get the official letter of my lay off. So many are angry but I ask for prayer that I do and she the right thing and to not be provoke to anger. I need prayer for my family everyone is fighting and feuding. I need prayer over my child she is so afraid of corona virus that is causing her to have anxiety attacks. Please pray for me that my thoughts to not get block by Satan but that it is focus on God and his Kingdom.

Please Pray for me today , May God bless you all