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Ungodly Influences

In this chapter we see the Moabites influencing Israel to worship Baal even though they new God's Word concerning this issue. In making application we see the importance of not yoking or being influenced by the ungodly but to simply trust the Word of God. How about you? Do you see the how the ungodly try to influence the redeemed through their actions? Let us learn from our text today and the life Amos to see that the wicked will attempt to influence those who serve the Lord so let us hold fast to the Word of God so we will receive the blessings of God.

I'm not sure they were cavemen. There are scriptures that say the one third turned evil angels were hurled with Satan. Called inhabitants.

I gave a lot of scriptures that are in the history pages now. Have a look. I had seen them before cause they're all marked up in my Bible. I just didn't know how they fit in; but they do. It should be exciting study.

Best part is that science & archaeology prove the Bible is True.

Jesse, if I could add one more to your list in an otherwise great response:

Number four: it is not a necessity to have that gift ( 1 Cor 12:30). Albert quoted verse 29 correctly, but should have also included verse 30.

Though having said that, a Pentecostal acquaintance actually interpreted v 30 this way in support of the gift: "do all speak with tongues?', should be read, "do (a command, a must) all (believers) speak with tongues". Needless to say, I was rendered speechless & floundering.

I think that if we accept the experiments conducted & hypotheses formed as a result, then the physical laws are correct (e.g. in relation to mass & energy: "that neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, but converted into another form"). This assumes man's observations of matter around him which draws the above conclusion. The problem arises with Heb 11:3, when we read "that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear". We often understand this verse to mean that what we see came from things which we don't see (i.e. atoms). If we stayed with the Law of Mass & Energy, then God had to use atoms in His creative work. Is then God confined by this Law? Or dare we presume that there was no matter in infinite time, but God, Who Himself is without matter, also created the basic building blocks of matter? So what I see here is that Science can only be based on observable, experimental deductions; it simply cannot go beyond that, since that would require faith, or as they might regard it, "blind belief".

Then this creative work of God, when applied to living beings, still has its substance in matter (i.e. the (dust) of the Earth, to which it will return). Yet, as you said, "we do not die when our body dies" would be true if confined to the physical, i.e. the body (matter) returns to dust (matter). Though, can we say the same for the spirit of man? This is not matter, not created from it nor will transform in some way into it. It is God-created & will one day return back to Him (Eccl 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."). This doesn't prove that we were alive before our birth but that at the giving of life, God also gave us a spirit (not matter, nor recycled) that is not subject to death. And with all this, God even knew us (about being a special creation with a specific purpose in life). God's creative Work goes well outside the bounds of human Science. Further thoughts?

This is the first think that caught my attention in Matthew 28:1-2 When the two Marys approached the tomb, there was an great earthquake because the angel of the Lord had descended from Heaven. Three things about this: first, even when we are doing the Lord honor, fearful things may happen around us. Second, a question comes to mind. Are all earthquakes caused because of angelic activity? Third, the angel of the Lord was not Jesus because he had not yet ascended to his Father. Happy to hear your thoughts on these points.

I agree with you. Neither you nor I can measure a spinning ball rocketing wildly through the firmament with a line. But God can! He even knows the number of hairs on your head ( Mt 10:30). However, I can't help you with your belief in a flat Earth; I just go by the photos from space - & that'll do me for now. Maybe for interests sake & in understanding the Wisdom of God, (& not asking for much), you could take the mileage from Budgewoi to Sydney to the centimetre & see if you are satisfied with the outcome. Just maybe we have to rely on God for His Abilities & Wisdom that are far more superior to ours.

Peter, clearly the word 'pillars' in 1 Sam 2:8 should be understood as 'foundations', just as a house that is supported on pillars firmly attached to its foundations. It can't be understood as literal pillars - it wouldn't make any sense. Therefore, the foundations are not literal but speak about all that God had decreed & purposed for mankind (see previous verses).

Psalm 5 is David's prayer to God, as one who stands in awe of God (v 7) & trusts Him for his protection (v 11). Unlike those who won't bend their knee to Him & all they do is wickedness which is abhorrent to God. Remembering, David suffered much from the plans & acts of wicked men against him.

So vv 5 & 6, is David's affirmation about the wicked people's stand before God as compared to those who are righteous. These wicked people are characterized by foolishness (Heb. word is 'holelim' = madmen). They foolishly oppose & fight against God but in that day of Judgement they will not be able to stand (= be acquitted) before God. In the same way, all who speak leasing (an old word meaning, lies or falsehood) shall receive the same fate from God as would those who shed blood & are deceptive in their talk. So these verses describe God's hatred to all manner of sin, whether being deceitful & liars, to those who are quick to shed blood.

So Ruby, if you need, in your meeting, to also give an application to these verses, then you could emphasize the Holy character of God, that He sees all people & their wicked hearts, that nothing escapes Him. We may think that a 'small sin', such as a white lie or being deceitful about something is no great matter, but before God, every sin is abominable & deserving of punishment. The only way to avoid God's anger is to come in fear (awe) of God, humble, cast upon His Mercies & repent sincerely of our past actions. And He does forgive us because of His Son's death on the Cross for us, as Jesus was made the propitiation for our sins ( 1 Jn 4:10, i.e. God's Anger which was against us was put on His Son, so Jesus carried to the Cross, not only our sin but God's Anger as well), & God was satisfied by it & so accepts even the worst sinner into His Family.

Prayer Request

I'm trying to move home but really I want to stay where I am. I am having a wonderful time at work, but my home life is completely trash. I have not been able to find a comfortable place to live in the city and state where I live. I live in Murfreesboro TN which is outside of Nashville, so the cost of living is beyond my means. I have had to have roommates each time that I have been in an apartment. The habits of the other people and my desires don't mesh well and I am not well liked because I am not overtly friendly because I want to be respected. Each time I have moved the roommates have been unscrupulous and I end up being a victim to the other people whom live there. I have been chewed out and told that I am nitpicking when having to clean up after the other roommates or listen to the constant moving and noise.

My lease at this place is about to be up on July 15 and I'm trying to go home or find somewhere else to live. I don't have many belongings but I just talked to a moving company and they are saying to move one room of things it will cost 3200. I'm just tired of the conflict between me and this other young lady. We share a bathroom and it causes conflict because of the cleanliness of the house. The girl is very manipulative and thinks that the whole situation is funny and is entertaining to her. I received a text message from the owners of the house saying: Manda why in the world he's picking a fight over toilet seat being up?It is literally the most minor thing in the world.Please stop making your point of causing anxiety and discomfort. I feel this is wrong because the other young lady has been leaving the seat of the toilet up intentionally for weeks. I have had to ignore her for weeks and had to buy ear plugs because the girl is loud rude and obnoxious. She even went to the length of placing socks that she worked in on the island counter in the kitchen. And the people are defending her. I told the owners of the house and I am the o

That was a good example of Humility in action. I also see it as stemming from one's attitude about oneself. Most people would like to think of themselves better than others: whether in their appearance, their jobs, wealth, or achievements. That's one of the characteristics of the sin nature coming to the fore: that of glorification of self to the despising or minimizing the worth of others.

The perfect example of Humility is seen in the Lord Jesus ( Phil 2:3-8) as He first humbled Himself by becoming a man & then was obedient to a shameful death; He as the Word of God need not have had to experience any of this, but for the sake of our salvation, He humbled Himself. And then in Rom 12:3, Paul instructs them to not think of themselves as greater than others (this was in reference to use of gifts in the Church, but translates to every day life as well). So our position as Christians has to be one of taking the lower position so that our brother or sister in Christ may be the one that is given the higher position in our eyes. We then reflect that beautiful quality of the Godhead.

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And to your question: "If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?" This question is moot. There will always be theories when Satan's fall occurred. It could have been at some time after the creation of the angelic host ( Isa 14:12-15), maybe after God's creative Work had ended. It may have been according to the type given in Ezek 28:12-17, when Satan was already in Eden & from thence he fell into sin; or even in ( Rev 12:7-9) where Satan & his angels were cast out of Heaven to the Earth after Jesus ascended to the Father (though this option wouldn't work, as Satan was already active way before this time on Earth). So, I have to plead ignorance to your question, as the Scriptures don't give me a clear answer, though if compelled, I would lean towards the Isaiah description.

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D.J., thank you for your response. I will still go back to Gen 1:28 for clarification, as this verse seems to be where my misunderstanding lies. Since you stated that, "The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind", I could only assume that there were some other instructions given to the rest of us. However, you say that the instructions in Gen 1:28 also applies to us, hence I couldn't work out, & still can't, what these other 'completely different instructions' are, since Gen 1:28 applies to both Adam & Even & us. So this still remains confusing. Hence, my mind got carried away, that if there were other instructions to other people, then who were they, if not the progeny of our first parents? Then the rest of your remarks on your Page 1 I would agree with, if both Adam & us received the same instructions & not different ones.

And I noted your comments in your Page 2. However, my comments to which you referenced, only applied to my wonder as to those 'different instructions given to us', then your further comments (page 2) had no direct bearing to them, & therefore I would agree with them. Your reference to the "three heaven & earth ages", I would say refer to the sky, universe & earth, rather than to the Heaven of God's Abode. Is that what you meant?

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God created heaven and earth, by speaking it into existence. God knows all and sees everything.gog is naturally trusting because in all we do to please ourselves; we constantly forget about God until we need him. God is a jealous God,he constantly tells us through old prophets for him people to tear down the idols that man had made. God is real, he truly cares about all of his beings that he made in the image of himself. Thank you Lord for given us your very best, our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Who came down from heaven as a living sacrifice, fought, suffer and died for us. Took the sting out of death, gave us a chance at the tree of life.salvation.

Thank you for responding with your help so quickly i really needed some sound advice, I will be starting everyday with the lord in his word before i read the news or start whatever i am doing that day, and wait for him to manifest himself to me in his time. Again thank you

And, when I say "hear the Spirit" I want express this: If we are "alerted" to the sin and we obey the bible instruction to leave this sin and claim forgiveness from God in the pray (with a decision to leave the sin), He hear you and forgive you.

Hi brother. I believe in this: if we sin and we heard the Holy Spirit, we are forgiven because God is a Love God and have the mercy and compassion with us. I hope I've helped. If you want, reply this comment and we can talk about it. God bless you!

l think everyone who calls themselves Christian should be hunble . To be called Humble means you have a good quality of faith or that the faith is the goodness of your answer or reply applied n every situation by words or actions that are in line with the word of God . eg your reply to the simple question good morning when your enemy greets you . Your answer should reveal meekness and humbleness it will be good morning my sweet heart not good morning you stupid idiot revealing your anger and resentment towards yesterday s conversations that was not resolved .Your action of faith in a situation of hunger and poverty is to feed and clothes

To Peter, et. al. (and others),

To get a true understanding of the Bible, you must first pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you (your mind) into all truth. We cannot read the Bible like any other book. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned (understood) 1 Cor. 2:14, last part. If you don't ask Him into your study, there is an enemy who will be very happy to show you things the way he wants you to see them. You don't want that. That is called deception, and it's on the highest order, coming from him. The devil knows his KJV of the Bible better than most people. I will pray for all of you so you will remember to ask Him - first, to lead & guide you as you study & read. The Bible (KJV) is God's word to all of us. We Must read it and understand what we read so that it will become a part of our daily lives. We also need a very serious relationship with God (in these last days), to have Jesus' Righteous character given to us. We must Know God to be saved. John 17:3. I hope this comment helps.

give mean explanation of what Psalms 5:5-6 is saying, I have to explain these two verses in a group meeting.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE circle of the EARTH earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE circle of the EARTH earth,...SO IS THE EARTH A PANCAKE?

So believe in Jesus and the flat earth and thou shalt be saved? really?

How does believing in a flat earth edify the Lord or change anything?

is the moon and the sun flat also?

PLEASE pray for a complete healing of body for James B. He has rectal bleeding and digestive problems. THANK YOU & GOD BLESS YOU.

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

May I ask - a simple question?

"HOW CAN A SPINNING BALL EARTH BE SET UPON PILLARS??"

Let God be true and every man a liar ( Rom 3:4)

The Lord God Almighty is asking Job - "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth?"

Let me ask this this question of Job also " Does a spinning ball earth rocketing wildly through ( so called space) have have foundations? If he were alive his answer would have to be no!

In verse 5, the Lord also asks Job "Who has measured it - Do you know?" Or who has stretched a line upon it? (to measure it)

Let me ask you this "How can anyone measure a spinning ball earth rocketing wildly through (to be precise) The FIRMAMENT with a line? Only a flat surface can be measured with a line!

God is being mocked by a lie of a spinning ball Earth

LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LAIR!! ( Rom 3:4)

What the woman above said could be truth.

Evil men prosper when good men do nothing. Probably hoping someone else will do something. Is this herd mentality?

If God shook the earth, then so can we in our prayer life; specifically spiritual warfare life. Prayers move heaven into action.

Jesus says to pray for our enemies.

Matthew 12:44 and Romans 12:14

I explored this principal and found it to be true! I worked in a company that was full of people stepping over people to claw their way to the top. They got promoted, but I had years of pleasant work days without all the meanness and stress.

The sermon on the mount is full of working principals.

Comment* Reality bible is useful to every human being. And it also help me to keep the words of God.

@john,you are wrong. Where is it written in the bible that you can have sex before marriage? You can please read what is fornication from the bible. Also read about sexual immorality.

i have read this many times, let your light shine so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven., matt. 5:16, I have always believe it is the works that I do that let my light shine.

When I went to sleep about 2 months ago something attacked me for about 6 hours. I felt my soul go elsewhere and I was lost somewhere. I saw 4 horses scatter in 4 different directions of the earth. I couldn't tell what was real or fake. My heart had been hurting as if I were dying before that night. I was crying out to God and staying up until 4am reading the Bible. That night I didn't do it. My mom & sister spoke tongues over me & I came back but then I sang "Messiah" & I cried but it was blood that came from my eyes. Then it stopped. I had been having a lot of dreams before that where I would end up crying & I was scared to sleep. I'm doing better now but please pray that God keeps me safe. I love God & I always will. I don't know why that happened but I never want it to happen again. Thank you.

Chris,

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In addressing your comment mentioning that God would not properly be representing all races; I will state that God chose Adam and his lineage to bring forth, umbilical cord to umbilical cord, the Savior of the world ( Genesis 3:15). That promise by our heavenly Father made this particular lineage the most important lineage to ever walk on the face of the planet. All other peoples and nations mentioned in the Bible are only due to their interaction, good or bad, ( Isaiah 10:5) with God's chosen people and the nation of Israel.

We are all children of God, blessed by Him, and given freewill to believe whatever we want!

On a side note, you state that Adam and Eve were made "in the image of God." The PLURAL words of God stating "in OUR image, after OUR likeness" ( Genesis 1:27) is the intention of God to make the mortal features of mankind to be a physical reflection of God and the angels. We are to be a representative figure of what we looked like in the 1st Dispensation of time. We are an illusion of that spiritual body, but delivered unto these flesh bodies in order to be tried and tested by God by the very freewill He grants unto us. How could God the Father and His only begotten Son know us beforehand if the first time we came into existence was in these flesh bodies in this 2nd Dispensation of time? The answer is simple; God "did foreknow" ( Rom 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time. The only One made in the true image of God is His only begotten Son ( John 5:37, John 10:30 John 14:7, John 14:9, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 1:15. The clear understanding that there are 3 heaven and earth ages can be found in 2 Peter 3:6, 2 Peter 3:7, 2 Peter 3:13.

Question If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?

Chris,

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I appreciate your feedback concerning the creation of Adam and Eve.

In reply to your first question, I believe that was answered in the original post. Scripture states that God created mankind on the 6th day, both male and female. God then B-L-E-S-S-E-D them, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and RE-plenish the earth, and subdue it. ( Genesis 1:26, Genesis1:27, Genesis 1:28). These are the instructions given to the rest of mankind. We are clearly neither insignificant nor are we worthless in His sight. We are all children of God with power given by Him to choose for ourselves who or what we want to believe. God makes the choice even easier: Be a part of His family of everlasting life or be a part of Satan's family of death.

Your phrase "or later" in regards to creation after the 6th day, I would point to Genesis 2:1, Genesis 2:2, and Genesis 2:3, which states that God FINISHED all of His creative work by the end of the 6th day; mankind being the last and greatest (and most confused) creative accomplishment.

I do not account for the existence of "cavemen." Scripture does not leave room for evolution. God states that He "created" ( Genesis 1:27) man. You and I were born, not created, as Adam, Eve, and the other Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the races (i.e. genealogy, Luke 3:23 - 39). Have we evolved from Adam?

Concerning a race or races of "sinless" people out there in the world I would point to Scripture found in Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:22.