All Discussion PAGE 2932

Jesse, I couldn't agree more. As you say, "everything has been designed by Him, and that He sustains everything, that His Spirit carries out His will, and everything is for His purposes. So I think what Paul was saying is that all things were created for His (Christ's) purposes."

That is exactly what I am getting at. Now, the question is, What is His purpose for creation? Or with creation? More simply stated, what did God create everything for?

Is snakes the most evil of all animals?

I will be your prayer partner. I am on Facebook, Kim Burrow from TN. Friend me and send me a message saying you are the one wanting a prayer partner and we can communicate through there or messanger. God bless your new walk with God. Praying.

Is snakes the railway of all animals?

You have to choose one book or the other eventually. One follows Muhammad, the other follows Jesus, the son of God.

Both came through the bloodline of Abraham, until Mary, of the bloodline of King David. That's why Jesus said he was the Son of Man.

Ishmaels bloodline was through Abraham and Haggar. God blessed Ishmael with good things: recorded in the Bible.

However, God had made a Covenant with Abraham that would be passed down through the son, Issac. Jesus's mother would come through that bloodline.

Read in Genesis 17: 19-21. Ishmael's blessing verse 20.

There's just differences between the Bible and the Quran. I'd go with what speaks to my heart and soothes my soul; but that's just me.

I grew up in a church that preached so much hell fire damnation that I was more fascinated by the various colors the pastors face showed. Pink meant it was time to go home.

I've had Muslim neighbors. They're very family oriented. Older relatives are treated with respect. Very approachable and kind.

Is angels pretty or ugly

Carlos,

Okay, here are my thoughts on what Paul may have meant by the words "unto" and "for" Him. Again, these are just my thoughts.

First of all, I see the comparison to Romans 11:36, so I thought I would take that and maybe share something you might be looking for, unless you already know the answer. In Romans 11:36, the words "of Him" is literally "out of Him" as a source. For out of Him, and through Him, He is the sustainer of all things. Everything has come from Him. He is the source of all things.

When I go to Hebrews Chapter 1, it tells me that all things, the epics of history and time are being carried along by the word of God. The word of God is holding all things together, carrying history along, according as God designed it. Romans 11:36 also says, and to Him, which is literally the word EIS with the accusative in the Greek. To Him! He is the significance in everything. Everything is for Him.

And I just sit back and wonder what He is doing with my life because there are things I just don't understand? But when I realize that He has a purpose and will for my life, and He has set me apart for his purposes, even if I don't understand what it is, I am content because I know He is in control. I have to live by faith, and even He is the source of that faith. I don't have to understand. All I know is that everything has been designed by Him, and that He sustains everything, that His Spirit carries out His will, and everything is for His purposes. I might not understand most of all that God does in my life until I go to be with Him, but that's fine with me.

So I think what Paul was saying is that all things were created for His (Christ's) purposes. Maybe that's still not what you are looking for, I don't know. You have a great evening!

Page 2.

I'm neither "perplexed nor defensive": just explaining how I understand the Scriptures given showing the difference between the Mosaic Law & any other law, whether man-mad/given, or in one's conscience. And to "Angels crossing species": I refer to Gen 18:2; 19:1; Heb 13:2. So when I say that they crossed species, it was to indicate that they took on human form for accomplish God's Purposes.

Page 1.

Carlos, to your discussion beginning with, "if when you reference Rom 5:13-14".

Since I no longer have that particular thread before me (because of the locked discussion), I will respond just on your comments. With the Romans reference, I believe I said that that all (from Adam onwards) have suffered death (both physical & spiritual) as a result of sin, "even to those who had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". What was the similarity to Adam's transgression? Those, like Adam, that didn't have the Law given to them, or was in their knowledge, that would have given judgement to their sin. Who are these people? Adam, primitive tribes, & to some extent, Gentiles, who do perform some of the laws because of governments who embrace those principals. Then I quoted, Rom 2:14,15, to show that to those who didn't have God's Laws/Standards, "did by nature the things contained in God's Law", & upon that basis they would be judged. So, I think I'm saying what you are, except in a different way.

When I refer to, & understand, the Law in this instance, I refer to it as those Laws of God as declared & given through Moses. If God told Adam not to eat the fruit, then it is a commandment, as a parent so commands his child. Adam was not bound under the Law (& it wasn't imputed to him), as it wasn't given to him to obey. Yet, he suffered, because sin was imputed because of disobedience, regardless whether the Law was given or not. Then why the need for the Mosaic Law? It was God's declared Standard for His people, distinguishing them (as also with circumcision), from any other people in the world. The others were a law unto themselves, doing by nature the things that are contained in the Law, & were/are so judged by the performance of those un-given Laws.

(onto Page 2)

i was puzzled too, thank you Jesse i now get it clearly.

Jesse, you have dissected Colossians 1:16 indisputably well. However, what I am focused on is the "Unto Him", the "For Him" statement in the verse.

What could Paul have meant by stating that all things were created "Unto" Him?

Romans 11:36 says essentially the same thing.

I stand in the need of prayer for strength to quit smoking. I have been a smoker for 28 years, and I am now five days tobacco. I know it's going to be a long road, but I know God will give me the strength to remain successful. I have also been blessed with a new career. I will begin training on June 1, 2020. I am so excited about what the Lord has done, and is doing in my life. Thank you!

Thanks James: I fully agree.

Please why were these books (judit, tobit, wisdom of solomon etc.) removed from the bible? (am really blessed in studying them)

muslims do go against us by saying our bible is no more complete (pls i need urgent clear answer)

Carlos, here is what I get from Colossians 1:16:

For by Him, or more literally, in Him. There's a prepositional word there that means in. In Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, and that's lordships, or principalities, or authorities:

So He's made everything, both visible and invisible. I look back to Ephesians 6:12 and I see that these listings of dominions, principalities, and powers are ranks of angels. Angels have military rank, both good angels and evil.

Paul says, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The word high places in the Greek means spirit realm. So it seems as though angels have rank.

But the emphasis here is that in Christ, all things were created, both visible and invisible. Things that are in heaven and things that are upon the earth, all the spiritual creatures, angels, were created in Him. All things were created by Him, and that's the word through. In Greek, it is DIA with the Genitive. All things were created through Him, and for Him: that's the preposition EIS, meaning unto Him, or for Him.

I'm just sharing what I see from that Verse, not looking for a long drawn out discussion, but just sharing my understanding. I am however curious to see how others see this verse.

James Brooks. You bring up a good point on Predestination, Election and spreading the Word. It brings to mind that the Law was given to stress that all men have sinned. The Word was given to convict us of that sin. The Law condemns us. The Word gives us life. John 3 and Romans 5.

The Law of Moses placed all mankind under sin, even those that followed that were not directly disobedient to God. The Law cannot reconcile us to God. Only Jesus can do that. Therefore, it is essential that people hear about Jesus. See also Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified He also glorified."

Ephesians 1 and John 10 are clear. God has given Jesus a flock and He will not lose a single one. So, the Call goes out for the Sheep.

Robert,

I was unable to respond, as the thread was locked for additional comment. So I am responding here.

The parable of the sower describes four different heart conditions. The condition you bring up is the person represented by the stony ground. They get excited about the things the Lord. They began to blossom with their emotion right away. You begin to see those signs above ground, and it appears to be instant growth. So this person gets excited, but then when it's time to start maturing in the Lord, which comes through trials and tribulations, that person is immediately offended.

They don't have that happy feeling anymore, they are not excited anymore. Now it is time for growth. Now it is time to settle down with the Lord, and they get offended and they leave. That person was never saved. This is not a person that was once saved, and then walked away and lost their salvation. They were never saved, period.

In the Parable of the Sower, there's only one person out of these four that are saved. Only one person bears the fruit of salvation, and that's our number four man. None of the other three bear fruit, meaning none of the other three represent salvation.

It seems as though you are saying that belief in a pre-tribulation rapture would cause someone to be persecuted, or perhaps cause them to forfeit their salvation? Am I just misunderstanding you? Jesus said we can expect persecution for His name's sake. It should be no surprise to us if we are persecuted for identifying with Christ. Thanks for caring about me. I care about you also. But don't be too concerned for me because I believe in Pre-trib. That will not separate me from Christ. I thank you for the YouTube invite, but something deep inside my spirit tells me I need to be cautious, so I will respectfully decline.

Where did Cain got his wife, since we were told according to the Bible, Adam and Eve were the first human being created by God?

I agree with Pixir. Eventhough people are wicked and some do abominable things to their fellow humans, I am saying we should find a place in our hearts to forgive them (and I am speaking to myself as well). Because believe it or not, the enemy is responsible for their acts. They do not know what they are doing until the act has been completed and then they regret ever doing it.

The enemy do not want to go to shoal alone. He wants to drag as many of God's children along with him. So please instead of you to pray that God punish whoever has done any wrong to you, pray that the enemy's punishment should be increased by the number of those he is deceiving and dragging with him. I think we should also pray that God give us the ability to recognize the enemy's tricks and pray that we be not deceived.

(Part 2)

I hope you understand what this verse is saying. Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice for sin. There is no more sacrifice for sin. Those Hebrew people who were being enlightened to the truth had to choose between accepting Christ's final sacrifice for sin, or going turning away and going back to their own sacrificing.

Please know this. If you have received Christ (Been born of His Spirit), He lives inside of you. He promised to never leave you, nor forsake you. You are eternally secure in Christ if you have been born of His Spirit. Also understand, that even though you're saved, you will sin. As long as you live in a body of flesh, you will sin. However, you will be unable to live a lifestyle of sin because Christ's Spirit in you will not allow you to do so. There will be conviction. You will commit single acts of sin, but it is impossible for a saved person to live a lifestyle of sin, their former lifestyle before receiving Christ.

Please do not be troubled in heart. If you have Christ, you'll always have Christ. He's not leaving you!

Yassir, you accuse Paul, accuse people in this room defending scripture about Paul the Apostle. In essence, you are accusing Jesus, my Lord and Savior!

We know who THE ACCUSER is.

Rich,

I'm going to have to break this up. I would like to share this with you in hope that it might ease your mind. There are some who use Hebrews 10:26 to show that a person can lose their salvation. That is not what this verse is saying. Hebrews 10:26 says "For if we sin willfully, that is, we go back to serving the principle of sin, after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

If you go back to Chapter 6, those who were enlightened, that are no longer coming for fellowship, just because they were enlightened doesn't mean they're saved. The Lord can enlighten someone as to the knowledge of the truth, they know the truth, they have seen the truth, they understand the truth, but have never surrendered their life to Christ.

Now if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. This is what the writer is saying. He's talking to Hebrew people who were following along and being enlightened to the truth about Christ. But when it came time for them to make a decision to give up Judaism and surrender their life to Christ, many of them would leave because of the price they would have to pay. If they received Christ, they would be banned from their own temple, they would lose their jobs, their family would disown them. So they chose to go back into Judaism because surrendering to Christ would be too hard. The writer is telling them that if they go back into old Judaism, you're not going to find any sacrifice there that's going to take care of your sin problem if you leave Christ.

More to follow.

Also, Rich, verses 10:26-39 is a warning dealing with the sin of apostasy, an intentional falling away. He is NOT talking about himself or genuine believers. I recommend getting a Study Bible, as they explain many, many things in the Bible we may not understand. I LOVE mine. David Jeremiah's study Bible is excellent, I have that one & also John Macarthur's.

Hello Tina, I have taken an online course in Theology and got my BA Degree in such so I may also teach the Bible Scriptures to the children and teenagers in my community. I have a 28 year old daughter in another state, whom I use to teach a Bible study with, but God has other plans for as well, as soon as the opportunity comes for me to teach scriptures to others. I believe as you mentioned: "I wish we could remove the false traditions of men that Satan keeps us separate and fearful of one another" that we can stand strong in teaching the Word of God to those who have never had a chance to read the Bible or have never heard God's Word before. I pray that God will give you guidance in fulfilling your duties of spreading the Word of God in any way you can do possibly and help in saving the lives of others in salvation around the world. May God give us wisdom and knowledge to spread the study of the Biblical Scriptures to all areas of the globe as we can..In Jesus name I pray. Amen!

I did a study just on the word Wisdom and was speechless over how much information is in the Bible. That will blow your mind.

good! report

Yea,Saul was jealous of David.

What immediately came to my mind is

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. (Also continue on thru 2:2) The fear you feel is NOT from God, for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind. 11 Timothy 1:7 But satan, the liar who comes to kill, steal & destroy has gripped you. Cast off his lies IN JESUS NAME!!!!! I pray this helps to bring His peace into your soul. Get into the Word & see what God says, then you'll know the truth, & satan's lies will be more obvious to you.

Stay a while in 1 John and his other books.

In 1 John 2:1 it says that if you sin and Satan drags you up before the Throne of God, you have an ADVOCATE (sitting at Gods right arm). Jesus, your Advocate and attorney. He checks the Lambs Book of Life, sees your name written in it, and your case is dismissed for lack of evidence. Your sins have been blotted out with His blood.

It doesn't mean we can run amok and sin all over the place. We are to put ourselves in the Holy Spirits leadership, teaching; conviction when we do sin.

Fear hath torments. That's a demon with many little demons. It's their job to shake your faith in Jesus. The spirit of death causes some people to take their lives. They know they have no rights to do any of that to a Jesus trusting Christian.

In 1 John 1:9 you will learn to run to the Cross if you do sin and confess; be forgiven; renewed. I go there a lot.

We are washed clean by constantly renewing our minds with the Word of God. Your Bible. If we don't furnish our "homes" with Bible teaching; prayer: demons come back around to see if you have an opening for them. You can make them leave!

Say what you've learned: IT IS WRITTEN... and speak your scripture that you've planted in your heart.

You'll get so strong that you'll be able to help other people get freed as well.

Now go read Romans 8:1-2. Read all of Rom. 8. Read Book of John 8:32

You did good coming here :)

Hi,my name is Pasi Haverinen and I have a prayer request for healing from swelling of left feet from ankle yto knee,numbness to disappear from my sole of feet,from my in ancles(feet), right hand,and fingers of right hand,protection and shelter of Jesus in my life and in the lives of my 2 daughters,healing touch of holy spirit, numbness and paralization symptoms to go away from my whole body from my ears to sole of feet ,banish these incridients away from my whole body, upper body and feet and whole body...totally set paralization free,numbness free..

My telephone number is +358 44574 1112 if you could to call and pray for me.