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Part II God's ETERNAL Assurance

ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts 15:8 Romans 8:27

"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST! In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!" Ephesians 1:12-14

"Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!" 2 Corinthians 1:22

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" Ephesians 4:30

"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!" 1 Corinthians 6:11

"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!" 2 Thessalonians 2:13

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" Titus 3:5

God's OPERATION?:

God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians 1:12

God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians 1:13

God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians 1:14

God Justified us "...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" Romans 3:24

God "Reckons Debt To those proud who work" For Salvation! Romans 4:4

In GRACE, To him/her "that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!" Romans 4:5

God, Through Paul, States: "...David also describeth the blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth righteousness Without works!" Romans 4:6

to be continued in Part III

Part III God's ETERNAL Assurance

"Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!" Romans 4:7-8

YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:

"But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if, when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!" Romans 5:8-10

God's All-Sufficient GRACE?

"For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!" Romans 5:17

"And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints According To The Will Of God!" Romans 8:27

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God's OPERATION!:

[ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"

Expounded:

PAST Tense = { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! } "Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}

PRESENT Tense = { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! } ...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}

FUTURE Tense = { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?} ...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!} 2 Corinthians 1:10

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All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE! {NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}

Precious struggling friend(s):

Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT for you?

To be continued in Part IV

Part IV God's ETERNAL Assurance

Conclusion:

"...The [Solid] Foundation Of God Standeth Sure, Having This SEAL: The LORD KNOWETH them That Are HIS!..." 2 Timothy 2:19

Note the 'Contrast' of Matthew 7:21-23, where "Those That 'are Not His'" He Has "NEVER KNOWN" them. Plain and Clear, Correct?

Do we Believe ALL Of These Scriptures, so we can answer This? Are we prepared for:

Accountability for our fellowship {NOT God's Relationship!} At Judgment, By "The Righteous Judge Himself"? Eternally Saved, But "Gain OR LOSE rewards!" 1 Corinthians 3:8-15?

And, Precious friend(s), please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST, And In HIS Precious Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth!

Both The Living Word, And, HIS Written Word, Are Trustworthy! Correct?

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!!

To The Praise Of The Glory Of HIS Wonderful GRACE!

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,? )

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Hi Ronald The book of Romans 1:18-23 Hits the nail on the head verse 18 who hold the truth in unrighteousness, I believe in God my way man either worships nature, self , others or a power based on intellect which is still self. This is why he is without excuse. All of what I mentioned is driven by the five senses which is our condition from birth i.e. lust of the flesh eyes pride of life. The unbelievers choose unrighteousness.

Sister GiGi, I was not trying to convey anything to you. The words are God's words and he will convey through his Spirit any truths he want's revealed to you.

From you comment he is already causing you to see with different eyes.

1 John 2:27

Isaiah 28:9-11

GBU

Hi Tony I'm curious about something you said God didn't Give Adam independance from Him that negates freedom of will Adam was given complete authority over earth to till it to keep it and a helpmeet to reproduce the only point that God made don't eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and evil. Except for that Adam and Eve had complete freedom of will, that changed when they were deceived and lost there spiritual connection with God and were subject to the will of the five senses. By the way that's how Eve was tricked by the enemy first His appearance then 1st step He got her to question what God said then to consider what he said then to add to what God said then to subtract what God said then at the end Ye shall not surely die when the true God said Thou shalt surely die. Then because of sin or broken fellowship that started there they lost the Spirit connection with God. Overtime they died physically from sin contamination the wages of sin is death, they because of disobedience lost the life quickening spirit.

Yes, Someone. Jesus renews you. He gives you new life when you thought yours was over. He renews your strength like the eagles. He is our savior, comforter, deliverer, and he is Lord.

Amen Daquanda B. That is the big test while here on earth. The Lord promised us that we will have trouble, but you have to praise Yah while you are going through it. Thank you Jesus!

Protais faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So first we must have the word of God (which is the bible). Second we must hear the word( or read it). And third, we then believe the word or have faith. God bless you!

Dear Nic, just noticed your other comment. If you haven't made a decision to follow Jesus already, then now is the time. I don't believe you've blown it based on the limited info I've heard. Please read my last post with the verses and check this out. You have no downside and practically unlimited upside to following Jesus (if you haven't already). In other words the pro/con and risk/reward in business terms should be the easiest decision ever: Link

I suggest praying and asking for peace and understanding.

If you're referring to something you thought or did before you came to know the Lord, then I personally don't believe you are guilty of this. I think it's closer to the opposite of what the other commenter said. I think it's especially for Christians who already 'know better' and already know the truth, then reject it to the point of calling good evil and evil good and claiming evil motives- perhaps like an ultimate betrayal, and it might also involve denying the holy spirit within you. I hesitate to even write this as an example. A clear example of this blaspheming is Matthew 12:24 by the Pharisees. Jesus logically refuted it, but it's unclear whether He was saying the Pharisees then had no chance to go to heaven, because I don't believe they had true knowledge of the truth yet. I think it's possible Judas committed this as well. It's possible Peter committed this, but was forgiven in a special circumstance, possibly.

My Biblical support for this is Hebrews 10:26 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 and 1 Timothy 1:13 and Hebrews 6:4-6 and Luke 23:34. Maybe more here: Link

This is my personal opinion. Romans 1:20 could be used to suggest otherwise, but it's my opinion that it is only concerning knowing there's a God, not necessarily having the full truth of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit and then denying. I also don't believe falling away qualifies. I think we're talking about a full on rejection and I hate even the thought while writing this, but if it couldn't happen Jesus would not have warned us about it. God bless.

Sister GiGi, When the Spirit causes me (everyone) to respond to HIS WILL we may think that the verses we respond with is our works and our knowledge; but this not true, the Spirit cause us to bring to mind the scriptures he wills to be revealed. We are just THE POT. Just as the Holy men of old wrote what God willed them to write we do the same.

The scriptures I quoted came from the Spirit causing me to quote those scriptures that he willed.

All the comments and scriptures you (the pot) have given; were not actually from you, but the potter.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit (the Father's) that is upon thee (the Son), and my words (the Father's) which I have put in thy (the Son's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (the Son's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

WE are being CREATED in HIS IMAGE ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49).

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people that shall be CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT, they are CREATED: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

GBU

I believe this is a principal that is biblical when we look into GOD's promises, HIS WORD, the accounts where GOD moves in & stops evil, changes events that seem impossible, overcoming. Exodus, Genesis, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, Ester, etc.

Mathew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, Psalm 37:1-40,

2 Corinthians 5:17, Isaiah 48:6, Revelation 21:5, 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1,

Mathew 6:30-33

Hopefully this is helpful & encouraging.

Hello Jesse, A confirmation. Wasn't there an unwritten law before Moses? Adam was commanded, on pain of death, not to eat from that tree. As a result, humans have the same desire as Adam, "You shall be as gods." It was an unwritten law, but it brought death, "The wages of sin is death." What sin did Adam commit? God created him with a personality and certain characteristics as a human. The one thing God did not give him was independence from God. Eating the fruit was for the purpose of being independent from God.

Everyone is born with this tendency to commit evil, to live according to our own wishes. Like everyone else, a pagan is only lost when he lives according to his will. Can God save a pagan that has not even heard of Him? Of Course! How is that? "The just shall live by faith." God can reach a pagan the way He does anyone. He gives the gift of faith. He can bring a person to trust and belief, by our created world, to know a Great Power exist and has made Himself known. If that pagan gives himself to that higher power, he may be ones of those, when he gets into the kingdom, that knows nothing of Christ and His story. Zechariah 13:5, "And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends." It is true that Jesus is the Light that lights everyone that comes into the world, even pagans.

Genesis 6:3

Hi Chris, Hi, the "torment" being used for 'testing', in your understanding, does this 'testing' continue eternally without any finality to their judgement?" On Jeremiah 31:34, I am referring to Micah 7:18-20 refers to the remnant of God, "Thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea." The wicked have no part nor have another opportunity for redemption. The "testing" is given by God for the redeemed sake. God's judgment is final. It is not a testing time for unbelievers, but for the saints to know why our loved ones are not with us.

The "stone" referred to in Mathew 21 was used for joining two walls together, you are correct. Also, I see Matthew 21:24 emphasizing the result of rejecting the stone that crushes them. This is the way I view the Greek Lithos, Strong NT 928 and NT 939 in both Matthew and Revelation 20:10. Since the wicked are raised from their fiery grave, why do they need a second judgement? Have they not been previously suffering under the flames of eternity, some for thousands of years?

This is not a testing time to see if the lost get another chance at salvation. When the Books are opened, there will be no doubt why the lost are lost. We will be able to read the facts for ourselves. I cannot understand Revelation 20:10 and the raising of the wicked for any other reason.

I enjoy our study together. "Iron sharpens iron." Please continue to share your thoughts on the subject. Or any other topic of interests you may have. Blessings!

Brother Earl. Amen!

God Bless.

Dale,

Yes, that's what it means. You cannot be held to a law if it does not exist. In Romans 5:13, it tells us that sin was not imputed before the law was given because nobody knew what sin was even though sin was still there. If there is no law saying you cannot steal, you cannot murder, could you still be arrested for those things? If there's no law, what can they arrest you for?

However, there was and still is a consequence for sin. The consequence was death. From Adam to Moses, before the law was given, people were still dying. Even though there was no law showing them their sin, there was still a consequence. It says that death reigned from Adam to Moses even though there was no law. Everybody from Adam to Moses died. That's a consequence of the sin. We physically die too because of that.

As far as judgment, everyone will be judged the same. No one will ever be able to stand before God with the excuse "I never knew." Romans 1:20 tells us that they will have no excuse. Psalm 19:1-4 says "The heavens declare the glory of God. And the firmament shows His handy work. Day unto day utters speech and night unto night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard." So verse 3 tells us that there's no language or speech that God's creation cannot reach. Creation itself is a testimony that there is a God, a creator.

In John 1:9, he talks about Jesus Christ, that He was the true light which lighteth, or enlightens every man that cometh into the world. The word lighteth in that verse means to illuminate or to enlighten. He enlightens every single person that comes into this life. That doesn't mean that He puts understanding in their brain. It means that He manifests those attributes about Himself to our spirit, to the conscience, and man has a response. We might be totally oblivious to the response but we have one.

To God be the glory! I am grateful for his rewards for a few things & Faith for more to come in my obedience to our matchless Jesus be blessed

I would rather someone tell me the truth. It seems that I have blown it and though I want to repent I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Also just so you know, not a guy, someone called me brother in a response.

Adam:

This causes me trouble because, that may mean that I cannot be forgiven. I have had blasphemous thoughts about the Holy Spirit and evil thoughts that I regret but Jesus said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. Sometimes there was temptation other times ruminating on thoughts. I feel empty and anxious and have been mentally all over the place for a while. So I am not sure what to do with my life. It is written that will never be forgiven and I feel so far from Christ. Thank you for your frankness.

Amen!

Thank you.

Beware of anyone claiming your thoughts aren't your own thoughts or your sins aren't your own sins. This doesn't come from the Bible nor from God. Satan will tempt us but we are fully responsible for our choices. 'Satan made me do it' is just another clever lie from satan.

Also beware of anyone claiming that you can't commit a certain type of sin if you're a Christian. Anyone can commit blasphemy of the holy spirit and we indeed need to watch what we say to avoid sinning. Anyone claiming it's no big deal or that Christians can't commit certain sins, as if there's an invisible force field or as if our freewill to choose is removed, is simply untrue. Watch out for false teachings. If blasphemy wasn't a big deal Jesus wouldn't have warned everyone about it. Jesus warned everyone to avoid sin repeatedly, over and over.

God is very, very forgiving, but we must follow Him! Keep in mind that Paul, one of the best evangelists for Christianity, previously murdered Christians. We must give it our 100% to avoid sin and obey! Some are uncomfortable with this as they feel like they're giving up freedom or being controlled, or they heard at a sermon once that good works or effort is bad. But that's not from the Bible. The Bible says to become slaves of righteousness. Jesus says if you love Him then obey his commandments. Some falsely assume that means you're 'earning' heaven. Nope, doesn't mean that. Christianity is an active pursuit to be like Jesus. Those who are luke warm should be concerned. It says in the Bible many times to fear God. Some of this is explained in Hebrews 6 and many other places (the entire book is even better). God bless.

DALE E STAHLBERG,

From the first Adam, all have sinned Romans 5:12. Even without the law we have sinned, there are people in this world that do much evil and there are people in this world that do much good and neither have never seen a bible or heard of Jesus. From the first Adam, not only death was passed, every person is born with the knowledge of good and evil, it is written in our conscience. With or without the knowledge of the law, one may choose to either do evil or do good.

We see in Romans 2:12-15, read the entire chapter. Jesus first came almost 2000 years ago, the Messiah for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then by the grace of God, the gospel of Jesus was given to all the other nations. Millions of people lived and died before He first came, are they doomed to eternal death? Millions since have never heard of Him, are they doomed?

What we should contemplate, will we that have heard the gospel of Jesus be held to a higher standard of judgment? We see when Jesus sent the disciples out to tell people the kingdom of heaven is at hand, what it would be like if they rejected it. Matthew 10:14-15.

Many see the great white throne judgment is only for the lost, but in my understanding, scripture does not support that. We have Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29 Matthew 25:31-46, and more, and the parables. After the one thousand years, Revelation 20:11-15. All the rest of the dead small and great, raised from the dead, they will be judged out of the books and one of these books is the book of life, and whoever was not found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Would the book of life be needed if all were lost? God is a just God and we can trust in His word.

This is my understanding, may others have another view.

God bless,

RLW

I loved reading this prayer.

Dale It's not that they didn't sin or break fellowship when there was no law it's that they didn't sin intentionally mankind since the downfall are under sin born that way but before the law there were righteous men Noah that were taught what to believe and did there best to live accordingly. That's why they were made righteous by God or like Noah found grace in Gods eyes. That's why man is without excuse, we were built to walk with God so those who reject knowingly do so. By grace the law was given by God to instruct man as to how to live and what not to do. Something that was told me i never forgot if you don't believe and act on what you can see Gods Word which is instruction in righteousness how can you possibly listen to the spirit that you can't see. Before the law Gods word was passed down through the believing line Adam seth Noah Abraham so on.

I was 11 , when they banned the Bible The Ten Commandments, from all schools. We could NOT say the Lords Prayer, nor put our hands over our hearts and pledge allegiance to the FLAG of the United States of America.

That's what America once, was like. Pure, simple.

Children these days will never have that UNLESS the parents and grandparents perform the blessing in their homes. Deuteronomy 28 spells out the curses to follow if we do not teach our children about a loving God, and His son who took their place on the Cross.

If all they see in the home is a closed Bible sitting on a shelf, it's not going to mean anything to them. Public school will produce more atheists.

In 1948, Israel became a State. Which began a clock counting down on the LAST GENERATION of people.

Evangelize your children. Mishael

Kids can watch SUPER BOOK animated videos on YouTube. I think they're great. My grandson watches them.

Fred The reason why there are four Gospels is mathew magnifies Jesus christ as the Perfect king of Kings so the genealogy is the royal line, in Mark Jesus Christ is shown as the perfect servant to man on luke He's the perfect Man and the genealogy amplifies that in the Gospel of John He is the son of God. The number 4 biblically pertains to the world hence His Ministry on earth. There are several tremendous teachings on this subject matter in much more detail.

In two landmark decisions - Engel v. Vitale on June 25, 1962, and Abington School District v. Schempp on June 17, 1963 - the Supreme Court declared school-sponsored prayer and Bible readings unconstitutional. The rulings provoked unprecedented controversy, says Melissa Deckman, affiliated scholar with the Public Religion Research Institute in Washington, D.C. "School boards got so paranoid about dealing with religion that they just said, 'We shouldn't do any of that at all,' " she says.

Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court decided 8-1 in favor of the respondent, Edward Schempp on behalf of his son Ellery Schempp, and declared that school-sponsored Bible reading in public schools in the United States was unconstitutional.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair was an American activist, supporting atheism and separation of church and state. See the article in its original context from June 27, 2002, Section A, Page 1.

A federal appeals court here declared today that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because the phrase ''one nation under God'' violates the separation of church and state.

In a decision that drew protest across the political spectrum, a three-member panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the pledge, as it exists in federal law, could not be recited in schools because it violates the First Amendment's prohibition against a state endorsement of religion.

In addition, the ruling, which will certainly be appealed, turned on the phrase ''UNDER GOD'' which Congress added in 1954 to one of the most hallowed patriotic traditions in the nation.

From a constitutional standpoint, those two words, Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote in the 2-to-1 decision, were just as objectionable as a statement that ''we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation under Zeus, a nation 'under no god, because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion.

Mishael

Brother Dale, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Is not the last day, the day the body of flesh ceases to exist.

Everyone in FLESH has a last day and a last trumpet (the voice of God saying come up here), death is swallowed up in life, this is the first death and first resurrection.

Those that haven't been chosen to believe in this age will die and lay in the grave until the second resurrection back to flesh and then will die the second death (judged in CHRIST and CAUSED to believe and confess Christ as Lord).

Philippians 1:29 For it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ....

Christ gives this to ALL MEN at his (Christ appointed time): a FEW in this AGE and to the rest after this age and the age to come.