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Man

- A Creature of God

Genesis 1:27

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

-Performance Issues

i.Low resistance to temptation

Genesis 3:13

"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

ii.High level of corruption

Genesis 6:12

"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."

Puzzle

I light of these issues, what is the meaning of "in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."?

Yessir Mr Landry. I understand THAT!!! I was asking for anyone else who understands that. NOW since I know I am in discussion with the HOLY Spirit HIMSELF,I have a need Mr Landry. Ever since the day I was born I have been under extreme darkness and drowned nearly to death In sin iniquity AND corruption. I didn't understand it at ALL till the Lord Jesus Christ found me in a dungeon and baptized me AND awakened me. BUT let me Tell you brother. I didn't receive blessing AND Joy AND freedom. I woke up with absolute bloodthirsty EVIL The shadow of death and ONLY by The mercies of the most high am I still persevering. But I need prayer. THE power of the lion's The power of The dog'AND the whole system is hunting me LIKE a gazelle. I know I'm Way Way Way wssaaaaay down under the shadow of death and My ONLY Hope is The Lord Jesus Christ who I trust with All My might soul strength and heart Will not leave me in THIS death. I'm terribly hounded and I know Jesus has brought me here for HIS purpose AND I am failing miserably. Psalm 142--- is My meat to hold on to because no one Will care for my soul. BUT JUST as The holy spirit of Ecclesiastes wrote through I'm persuaded Solomon. " FOR I know,that Whatsoever God does it shall be for ever, nothing can be put to it, neither anything taken from it, and GOD DOES IT, THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR BEFORE HIM. SO THAT'S MY ANCHOR. IF IT'S OF ALMIGHTY GOD SO BE IT. HIS WILL BE DONE. BUT I BEG HIM FOR THE GRACE TO GO The distance he is asking of me. Not for my own IMAGE but FOR his ETERNAL purpose He purposed in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world. Called according to his ETERNAL purpose. HIS purpose. HIS Glory. Jesus Christ MIGHTY ever conquering bringer of The law of the Spirit of Life, conqueror of death darkness sin The grave Satan AND every cruelty he ever imagined according to his own heart to Dare be LIKE GOD. JESUS TOOK OFF HIS GARMENTS OF CREATOR AND BECAME A MUD PIE AND DESTROYED ALL THINGS CONTRARY TO GOD AND GOOD. NIGHT

Proverbs 8v12

King James version.

Witty inventions.

I think this can be read as man's clever ideas designs or inventions-products to help mankind.

Without damaging the fundamental point of avoiding man's clever or better words would be,"cunning or wicked", plans-inventions to mislead against God's word.

Mezzimah is the Hebrew for inventions. In its meaning I've read it can mean , good plans or good ideas to help mankind as well as wicked plans.

Does anyone agree that the full expression of Witty inventions in verse 12 of proverbs 8 would include good plans of man. Maybe it can cover good and bad plans. Using wisdom to find knowledge of Witty inventions.

The word Witty I think is a broad word too which can be interpreted differently.

All without damaging the fundamental teaching that God's plans are better than man's but also that the fullness of God's blessings and potentials shouldn't be limited by a more fundamental interpretation in this verse.

Thanks, I wrote alot, been writing about this a bit.

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Yes Jema, there is definitely a connection with David's son which I do not have time to fully address right now other than to say that in verse 24 Martha had it exactly correct. Lazarus' body will be Resurrected a glorified Spiritual Body on the Last Day and united with his Resurrected Soul which today has eternal life and lives with Christ in Heaven until the Last Day.

I also want to address this matter of the Soul, both before and after becoming saved, i.e. becoming Born Again. I sense some very faulty understanding based on what the Bible teaches.

lemme ramble a bit about the just and the unjust....Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit..... Romans 9:8.... Flesh and blood are not the Children of God.....Its only the Children of Promise that are counted for that GOOD SEED....Who are the Children of Promise?... They are the gift of God the H.G.....Which is born of the spirit in US via his good seed...The LIVING WORD NOT THE WRITTEN WORD....As faith comes by hearing his good seed the living word that initiates a spiritual pregnancy.....B/C I have spoken these living words sorrows have filled your hearts a spiritual pregnancy ....A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the CHILD ( The H.G.) is COME HER SORROWS are turned into Joy... John 16:20.....The H.G. is he that is born of the spirit...The gift of God....An Israel of God.. Gal. 16:6...She brought forth aman child that is gona rule all nations Rev. 12 :5 kjv.....Which is the H.G. as no man can call Jesus the Christ without the H.G. that living word....Which is that Child of Promise that is gona be born in you....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME ME

Its only the living word the H.G. that testifies of Jesus....When he the spirit of truth is come he will testify of me which is the H.G.... John 15:22....Thats y we must be born again of an incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth for ever as Peter said....The living word which is spirit and life.....

..... John 5:39 .Thats y Jesus is saying Search the scriptures the written words in them you think you have eternal life but it is only them that testifies of me....Which is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD, that spirit of truth that testifies of me....Which is that New Covenant that he gave us by his blood at Calvary....The book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own blood.....Whosoever was not found written in this book of life was cast into the lake of fire...As our God is a consuming fire..H.G. fire..

Thank you GiGi,

I have learned a lot as well, may God bless the ones who set up this forum.

God bless,

RLW

Chapter 7, who made the Gentiles , and why was the word not with them until after Christ's crucifixion ?

Well said, Ronald,

I have learned so very much from participating on this forum.

For sure Landry , God uses all of us to fulfill His purposes , we see this especially in the Old Testament , and of course the same is true today . He puts us where He wants us to be and I'm sure I'm not the only one who can look back on their lives and see His workings in our lives and in the lives of those around us , Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven ! Amen to you :) .

Amen to that :) .

Hi Jema,

Thanks, it is nice and reassuring when someone agrees with our understanding of a subject in the Bible. Even if our understandings are different with someone's we should stay humble and inspire each other to study, even by studying the other person's views, we will grow even if our understanding stays the same.

I know over the years my understanding of some things has changed, (milk vs meat) we never know when the Holy Spirit will shine a light on a word or a verse. If we become dogmatic, we may be the one who is in the dark. Jesus said, "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear" and "eyes to see." It is an open mind ready to learn not filled with pictures of preconceived ideas.

God bless,

RLW

Jema:

We are the body of Christ; we were raised a joint heir with Christ, the Spirit of God that raised Christ is the LIFE in US, his body.

Everything that we do IS WORKS: but not OUR works, we will and do what God CAUSES us to do, EVERYTHING is HIS WORKS, we are just the instrument that God uses to do HIS WORKS.

Just as God created ALL THINGS, through JESUS; we do all works of God, through JESUS.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements and DO THEM.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (in you) that WORKETH both TO WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Jeremiah 51:20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war; for with thee WILL I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy the kingdoms ......

God bless you

Jema,

Amen. Nice point about where these good works originate, and yes I agree that our good works originate from our faith, and our obedience to God, and so that ultimately our changed heart directs us to perform all things that are pleasing to Him. All glory goes to Him!

Philippians 2:13

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

God Bless You

Lemme just say that there is a 2 nd Child that comes out of Christ Loins....When he breathe on them they were impregnated for the 2 nd Child the H.G.....Which are the Children of PROMISE....Solomon was the 2 nd Child that came out of Davids loins....But Jesus is telling us there is a greater then Solomon HERE....Which is the H.G. the Child of Promise....The early Church was precious in the eyes of the lord....But he had to give them up till the woman gives birth ..... Micah 5:3...They were a great army but they all died out and they were scattered.....But 4 times in John 6 Jesus says he wd raise them up and gather them again in the last day....They were an Israel of God the early CHURCH . Ezekiel 37:3....Can these dry bones live....Hear ye dry bones the words of the lord.....That New Covenant the LIVING WORDS THE BOOK IN THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.....That Jesus wrote with his own blood....And ye shall live..My words are spirit and life..Not paper and ink ...Thats y Jesus said I am the light of the world but the night comes (a time of spiritual darkness) when no man can work....The last 2 k yrs have been such a time of darkness...Lover and friend has thou put far from me and my aquaintence into DARKNESS....As Isaiah said Darkness will cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl....Even the big mega Churches are filled with darkness and desolation...Preaching gain is godliness and Money is ministry....Paul said from such turn away....

......But back to Bathsheba who loss her 1 st Child b/c she had a husband Uriah.....The early Chuch had a husband which was the law....Thats y Paul is saying...You are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you should be married to another and bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G. the Child of Promise... Romans 7:4....But Bathsheba travailed a 2 nd time for the Child of Promise Solomon....My lil Children of whom i travail IN BIRTH AGAIN a 2 nd time thus a 2 nd Child which is the H.G. that Child that comes out of Christ loins.

Hello Ronald , I also do not believe that there is any evidence in the Bible to support the belief that our souls are immortal . You are not alone in this I can assure you and as you put so well , we can disagree or rather , we should be able to disagree , without becoming aggressive towards each other :) it's nice when we do agree though :):):) .

Hi David0921,

I know we have different understandings of this and I am probably in the minority but that is ok. To me, it hinges on whether the soul is mortal or immortal and I have not found any scripture that supports the soul is immortal when comparing all scriptures about the soul, (I hope that makes sense).

Like 1 Thess. 4:13-17 My understanding is Paul is trying to ensure the people their loved ones who believed in Jesus who had died (asleep) would not be left out of the resurrection when Jesus returns. "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him." If we believe Jesus died and rose we who die before He returns will also rise (resurrect, awake) from our sleep (death).

"God will bring with him" seems to fit the picture in Jude 1:14-15, but does it agree with being resurrected? My understanding is 1 Thess. 4:17 The earth is round and those resurrected when Jesus returns will meet Him in the air and He brings those with Him down with Him, not going back up.

2 Cor. 5:6-8 We all look forward to being with Jesus but when will we be absent from this body? What is the resurrection of the dead? Resurrection is an awakening, our soul is who we are the essence of our being that is what God resurrects to either eternal life or death, 1 Cor. 15:35-55.

My understanding is our soul is not immortal our soul, that is who we are, and as our body, it is mortal. We will die/sleep until we are resurrected into our immortal body and that is when we will be free and absent from this fleshly body we have now and will be with the Lord.

My understanding is all who have lived will be resurrected John 5:28-29. We will be on the earth when it is made new not in heaven.

If we do not agree on this subject it is ok as long as we treat each other with love and inspire each other to study.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you again David0921. Clearly, we don't agree on the meaning of God's Authorship of the Bible; i.e. we believe that the Bible is God's Word, but your belief is that every word or phrase given therein matches what God had spoken. To this I disagree, so we will need to leave that matter out.

You asked, "who decides when God is using hyperbole (language)?" Well to answer that, I would have to say, that I, the reader would, because I, the reader am expected to read God's Word, understand it & digest it. If I can convince myself that camels can go through a needle's eye or a great many good believers staying true to the Word, are walking amongst us with a gouged out right eye, then yes, every Word in the Bible must be understood literally. Hopefully, I have been blessed with a little common sense, and so I refuse to be swayed with nonsense.

You shared from Romans 3:10-18. Yes, man's spiritual condition is really that bad, but do we in our wicked state have the poison of asps under our tongues or all our throats resemble open sepulchres. We should understand the state & extent of their wickedness, but the use of metaphors is quite normal to drive the meaning home. So is God "exaggerating for effect rather than stating a fact? On this passage, I would say that as Paul took reference to Psalm 5:9 & somewhat to Deuteronomy 32:32,33, Paul confirmed what has always been man's unregenerate state, where all these references have used metaphors for effect to highlight the fact.

And yes, in Psalm 58:3 that is exactly what is implied: not a verbal language from a babe but from a sin-infected heart from birth. But the basic problem we have here is how much that we read is exactly what God has given for man to record & how much of it has man placed from his own knowledge & experience. The fact that God has allowed all of it shows that Truth is what matters not the verbatim production of the Word, which could never happen.

Chris,

I appreciate your honesty in expressing your view regarding the Nature of the Bible. That view, to one degree or another, is I believe the view held in the churches of our day. And is the reason that we have such divergent views on so many critical doctrines among the various churches and denominations of our day.

The Holiness and Authority of the Bible has deteriorated in the churches to such a point that they have become almost unrecognizable in many of their beliefs and practices from even a few decades ago.

And because of this I believe we are living in the day where 1 Peter 4:17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, and other end time passages are in play.

God did not write the Bible so that it is easy to read and understand. He wrote it in a way that we must search it out in order to find Truth; and God Himself must lead us into Truth from the Bible as we apply the principles that God has laid out, not man. He wrote the Bible in such a way to not only reveal Truth, but to hide Truth.

But I am certain that God is in control and is working out His plan for this world in exact accordance with His Word, the Bible.

Dear David 0921 , may I ask you , what do you think that Martha's beliefs must have been at the time that she said the words in John Ch 11 V 20-24 ? I know how Christ responds to her in V 25 , what do you think she was talking about in V 24 ? Do you think that what she is talking about could be connected to what David believes about his deceased son in 2nd Samuel ?

Matthew Ch 25 V 31-46 again ! :) That's an excellent point about works and so many of Jesus's parables are about the kind of behaviour that he expects from us as Christians . I believe we all need to do what we can in this life to show the love of God to any and everyone who crosses our path , that can be done in very many ways , from donating to charity or even just listening to someone who needs someone to hear them . I guess these would be considered works ! However , I wouldn't even consider doing that sort of thing if I didn't first have some faith in God and in Jesus , that they were real , alive and watching me , I know the kind of behaviour that they expect from me and I now the kind of behaviour that they don't expect from me and I know that they know that I know :) . Faith comes first , without it we cannot please God , I believe that my faith causes me to DO things in a certain way . Is that what people call works ? Good question and a great point Brother Dan .

Yes David0921, I also believe that "we can never come to an agreement on many many very important doctrines in the Bible", simply because our beliefs don't align with how the Bible was written & given to us. If "God is indeed the AUTHOR of the entire Bible..every word, phrase...from the mouth of God", then I would think that I wouldn't understand a word of it. But God used human men charged with His Spirit to communicate His Word to us for our benefit. And this goes even further away from the original Voice & Word of God, when that first delivery has since been translated into a variety of languages using a variety of texts from a variety of sources. So is God's Word that you read today in the KJB, exactly the same as what God spoke? It can never be, but its Truths, manner of human involvement & Divine help with their memory & subsequent translations, can provide us as close as possible to God's actual Voice. If we should believe that the KJB (or any translation) is the product of what God said verbatim, I believe that any check (if it were at all possible), would highlight the differences. Truth is retained - but not to the point of exact, word-for-word delivery.

The only two instances I can recall (there may be others), where we see the Finger of God at work, are in Exodus 31:18 & Daniel 5:5,24-28. Of course, we know of many instances where those like Abraham, Moses, Jacob, & others heard directly from God & recorded what they heard. Unless they were writing all things down as they were hearing from God, there will always be some differences in words used, sentence construction, etc., alongwith the many copies, fragments, translations, and so on. This, in my mind, in no way alters what God has to say to us & what we have in our hands is what God wants us to read. But to believe that every jot & tittle is exactly the same as given, is too far-fetched for me.

Litttlemanchild:

You have the testimony of Jesus IN YOU.

1 John 2:27 The anointing IN YOU will teach you all things .....

God gives light at his good pleasure, he want fail, be patient, it's an attribute of God.

It will take your whole life time in the flesh, it's a race, it's a warfare.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he (the Holy Ghost) teach knowledge, and whom shall he MAKE to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, HERE a LITTLE, THERE a LITTLE.

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (the Holy Ghost) will he SPEAK TO HIS PEOPLE.

God WILL NOT FAIL to bring you to TRUTH.

Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day; that the LIGHT shall not be CLEAR, nor DARK.

Zechariah 14:7 But is shall be one day which shall be know to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall COME TO PASS, at EVENING TIME (the end of that day in the flesh and the beginning of the next day in the presence of God) IT SHALL BE LIGHT.

God bless YOU.

THE Lord gave me a peek INTO what's going on AND why,how,when, AND FOR what purpose AND INTENT he HAS in allowing it all. All THIS came with a price AND now I ONLY Hope in HIS Mercy. It's a PURPOSE OF law AND JUST who is entitled to THAT One AND ONLY lawgiver. FOR the law of the Spirit of Christ Jesus has MADE me Free from the law of sin AND death. Law - AND God's Love Mercy AND absolutely ABSOLUTE unsearchable INFINITE wisdom knowledge understanding AND HOLY judgment and justice.

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e. for one week (7 years) this 'prince' will construct a pact with Israel & in the midst of that 7 years, renege on it. So how should we account for this missing seven years from the original word given to Daniel of 490 years (70 weeks from Jerusalem's rebuilding to bringing in everlasting righteousness)?

There have been many suggestions, but in my present understanding, these seven years are still missing of the 490 years, i.e. the prince is yet to come & is yet to make this covenant (pact), & yet to renege on it, with the overspreading of abominations, UNTIL THE CONSUMMATION (Completion).." (God's Judgement, or as you understand it, God's Wrath). In line with Daniel 7:8, Daniel 9:26,27, Matthew 24:15, & 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4, I understand that this seven year period (outstanding from the 483 accomplished years), is the time of Great Tribulation; primarily against Israel but no doubt affecting the whole world when the 'prince to come' (the Anti-Christ) demands his mark & worship from all.

If you have another interpretation of these passages or even how you discern this time from other verses, then I would be keen to study them, & even change my thoughts on this. Blessings.

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No offence at all Jimbob; always glad to share with you. I believe you know the passage well, that which is found in Daniel 9:20-27 & this subject has come up often in these pages over the years.

In my understanding of this passage, the mention of 'weeks' is taken to mean 'weeks of years', i.e. where 'seventy weeks' are seen in verse 24. Then the 'seventy weeks' (or, seventy sevens) equate to 490 years. This then is the basis from which the ensuing dates & events fall out. If you have disagreement on this, or other thoughts, then please read no further as you won't subscribe to any of it.

So, as verse 24 gives us, this full period of 490 years "determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city" will at its completion, "finish the transgression, make an end of sins...to bring in everlasting righteousness...". And then from Daniel 9:25, we get the timeline of future events (i.e. from Daniel's vantage point & with our limited view & understanding).

a. of the 490 years, 49 years were accomplished: that is, from Artaxerxes commandment (in 445 BC; Nehemiah chap 2 onwards) to 'restore & build Jerusalem' to its accomplishment 49 years later.

b. then after the completion of 49 years & then a further 434 years ("threescore and two weeks") were then fulfilled by the coming of Jesus the Messiah & His Crucifixion.

c. after the 434 years & the death of Jesus, in time (AD 70) "the people of the prince that shall come" (led by Gen Titus of Rome) will desecrate the Temple & destroy Jerusalem.

d. now we have the full completion of 69 weeks (or 483 years of the 490 years prophesied), but one week (7 years) of the seventy weeks remain. Daniel 9:27, "And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week". This wasn't Titus or the people of Rome, but these men were the people of the "prince that SHALL COME" (i.e. another coming person that is referred to in verse 27).

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Yes sir!! You can absolutely trust it's what He has ordained for us. In Ecclesiastes King Solomon says it LIKE this-- for I know that Whatsoever God does it shall be for ever, nothing can be put to it, neither anything taken from it, and GOD DOES IT THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR BEFORE HIM

No prophecy of scripture is of any Private interpretation 2 Peter Chapter 2 I think

WHO SAID LUCIFER was an Angel or archangel? ISAIAH 14 calls HIM a Man, AND it states what he chose AND what he willed willed willed willed willed, he MADE the world a wilderness, ( He was The son of the morning) DAWN OF CREATION - ( maybe?) AND the epistle of 1john say's The devil sins FROM THE beginning. SO go back to "" in The beginning God created ------ verse 2--- why was the Earth VOID AND EMPTY? WHERE DID DARKNESS come from? THE waters? The DEEP? JUST a couple THINGS to get your Spirit searching

Judgment.

I believe we have a all knowing God who can't be surprised who stands on the outside of time looking in!

Anything you are going to do next week or next year, in God's view you did it yesterday!

How can we know his judgments?

We know that he's just and we're all guilty.

He's righteous, Merciful, longsuffering and he's just, beyond what we can comprehend.

With that being said our minds don't measure up when trying to understand his Judgments.

So if we use his attributes along with what is consistent throughout ALL scripture as a principle to guide us we should come to conclusion hearing and receiving the word of God or refusing to hear and rejecting the word of God plays the primary role in God's Judgment.

So there must be an age of maturity enough for one to understand they need an savior because little two year old Billie is a sinner and he don't know it.

An accountability is likely when one matures and have understanding of some sort of consequences for sin, Some acknowledgement of the need for a savior.

And I believe God judges them according to what they receives.

Here's a few scriptures according to those basics.

Luke 10:13-14

Matthew 10:14-15.

Luke 12:47-48.

God shall judge righteous.

You see a picture of how he uses discretion in judgment in

Genesis 18:23-32.

Genesis 18:35 should be considered along with God's sovereign and foreknowledge and circumstances.

I believe there's a lot more going on in this dark world than what is on the surface and these things should be taken into consideration when questioning God's decision to destroy nations.

We could never fully understand God's methods of Judging but we can take what we do have in scripture and say one would have to be able to comprehend more than what a child is capable of to receive judgment without mercy.

Example.

DEUTERONOMY 1:39

Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day HAD NO KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL..

GB.

Jesus SAID concerning THINGS -- seek ye FIRST - THE KINGDOM OF GOD and all THESE THINGS will be added UNTO you. ALSO for your Father knows what things you need before you ask. (( ALSO in proverbs it says " he that finds a wife finds a Good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.)) I know FROM past experiences AND FROM HIS word AND BEING denied MANY MANY MANY thing's AND needs, IT made me MORE grateful for the little THINGS and extremely grateful for God who provides them. If anything is taking more of your heart mind soul--and strength, it's not good for you. Now don't think FOR a second I'm giving my opinion. I'm sure your relationship with God is MORE agreeable than my own right now. FOR I need prayers for My overwhelmingly oppressive circumstances myself. BUT God bless you and keep you and I hope you hear THESE words. FOR God desires to delight in you. But he cannot do so unless you are in Right relationship with him