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Hi David.

My apologies brother, I may have taken that wrong.

Sorry for such a late response, I just made it home from off a long trip.

It's late here on the east coast.

I'm off to bed.

God bless you.

Hey S Spencer,

Not sure? You did not reply to anyone, but we have Jesus standing on Mount Zion just in front of Jerusalem with the 144000 firstfruits unto God and the Lamb. Firstfruits are the first that is sacrificed, this is just after or at Jesus's second coming.

This is after the ten nations destroy Babylon and whoever has worshiped the beast and taken his mark will drink of the wrath of God, so this wrath is after the second coming, and he/beast along with all who have worshiped him and taken his mark the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:9.

When Jesus returns there will be no rest until all enemies are put under His feet. Am I off base?

Brother, not sure about your post help me understand.

God bless,

RLW

Giannis, I am in the same boat as you with my sons. They were brought up in the faith and walked away as teens. It has been over 20 years now, and I am still praying for them all to return to the Lord, as well as the person they are making a life with. I will continue to pray for your son, too.

I always am blessed by your posts. The board has been kind of spotty lately as far as robust conversations. And there have not been as many prayer requests and questions as was normally submitted. I hope this changes. I love hear from many different folks who have frequented this forum and I hope more who may be reading but not posting will also join the conversations with us.

All are welcome.

Hello GiGi

Thanks for your wishes. Well I'm facing some challenges lately but I and my samily are OK. I am just worrying about my son because time is going by and he shows no signs of coming back to God. Fortunately he has got some good mental brakes since he was born in a christian family and knows the Truth. I am here almost everyday, I just haven't posted any comment. I wish you all the best for your family. GBU

Hi FaithfullCairaway

Firstly we start from the Old Testament.

Jesus has said the story of the rich man and Lazarus who lived in the Old Testament era, Luke 16:31.

They both (their souls) went down inside the earth but in different compartments. The poor man Lazarus went to a place called Abraham's bosom (which means together with Abraham and all the saints of the Old Testament) were he was comforted.. At the same time the rich man (the sinner) went to hell were he was tormented. Why didn't the righteous people like Lazarus go into Heaven? Because Jesus had not been sacrificed yet so no people had the right to enter Heaven. It is Jesus' sacrifice that actually erases people's sins (even those of people who strive to live a righteous life) and that had not had occured yet.

After Jesus was resurrected from the dead He took the souls of the righteous people from Abraham's bosom and carried them into Heaven. How do we know that? Because in Rev 6:9-11 we see the souls of righteous people in Heaven, under the altar (which means under Jesus' sacrifice) inside God's Temple in Heaven. The sinners remain in Hell.

At the end of this world, after the resurrection of all people who lived since the begining of mankind,the final Judgement will be done by God. The righteous will go to live with God in the new earth He is going to create for them living happily for ever and ever. And the sinners will be thrown into the lake of fire and will be tormented for ever. see Rev 21

Matthew 25:34, "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand (the righteous), Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

Matthew 25:41, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand (the sinners) Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

GBU

Hi GiGi,

Things sound good. Your hubby, that is so cool, I used to ride in the 70s, still have M on my driver license. Love you guys.

God bless,

RLW

Ronald, glad you are keeping up with the conversations here.

My son, Brian, is in Singapore right now waiting for his wife to have her immigration interview next Wednesday. If it goes well then she will be able to come home with him with a green card visa.

My other son, Kevin, just became engaged to his fiance. She is from Kenya and is here completing her college dergree. They plan to get married July 7th. Her Visa expires in September, but it may be different for them since they will be married in the U.S.

So, we are hoping all goes well with her and her immigration also.

Thank you for keeping my sisters in your prayers. I have not spoken to them since last summer after my mom's passing. But i continue to pray for them.

My husband just finished his last work of week last week. Now he is officially retired. He is on a long motorcycle ride today. Left early in a.m. and will be home after dinner time tonight. he loves riding his motorcycle and now he can go any day he wishes.

Ronald, we always welcome your contribution here.

Hi GiGi,

Thank you for thinking of me, I am here every day, just not inspired to reply. Your son is in my prayers along with your sisters.

As long as our love is for each other we are ok.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Ronald, was thinking of you this morning. Glad to have you posting here today.

Revelation 14:10-11.

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

You are replying to a comment by "Bcjcta"

Jesus said Yes! Matthew 24

Starting from the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 c.e.

until he comes. Then there's God's Wrath coming against Satan the Devil (the Dragon, Serpent REV. chapter 12), Wild beast (Authorities, Kings, HORNS chapter 17,18), and False Religion (Babylon the Great, Prostitute Revelation 17:1-6; Revelation 20:1,10)

Revelation 17 spoken in illustration then the angel explains

Revelation 18 spoken in illustration how powerful Babylon the great is (False Religion:The Great City)

Revelation 22 spoken partly in illustration and then true talk at the end

Rather it's believed or not, the scriptures (The law passed from Heaven Psalm 83:18) has spoken. 2 Peter 1:20,21

Only time will tell

Hi David0921,

Good discussion: my understanding of scripture is as yours, man will not be in the lake of fire for eternity, but also somewhat different. In Daniel 12:2 John 5:24-29 Revelation 20:11-15 we see all good, bad, and ugly will be resurrected so everyone will have a conscious existence to answer and be accountable on judgment day, the last day, and my understanding is that is Revelation 20:11-15.

Greek philosophy of the immortal soul has influenced the understanding of death so, if the soul is immortal and cannot die the burning in hell/lake of fire will be forever. Scripture says to me we are mortal, Romans 8:11 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 2 Corinthians 5:4. We see in Genesis 2:7 that man became a living soul, not a soul was placed in man, so when that breath of life/spirit is gone the body/soul is dead. The breath of life, Ecclesiastes 12:1-8 there will we be until the resurrection.

I could say more but in short, just for consideration, if there is eternal punishment, on resurrection day the unsaved will be given what scripture says only the saved will receive, an immortal body and eternal life? "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" So, the penalty for sin will be eternally over and done with, no more sin, and no more death for eternity, forever and ever.

God bless,

RLW

You are replying to a comment by "Bagwill" 5 days ago:

Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.

MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.

Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;

In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33

These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"

You are replying to a comment by "FaithfullCairaway" 2 days ago:

When we die do we automatically get to go to heaven or do we have to wait until the resurrection?

MountHoreb Reply: I personally can't recall at the moment Jesus giving any details

regarding The Apostles quick resurrection.

But We do have evidence of Jesus Resurrection Luke 24:46. when he died he was on the earth as an

invisible spirit Acts 1:3. Jesus as an invisible spirit ( john 4:24) has the ability to materialize into a human

Luke 24:3,5; Acts 1:9-11 . All angels Can transform themselves Luke 24:4; Luke 24:36

We also have an example of Apostle Stephen who was stoned by the infuriated High Priest.

he knew it meant his death for speaking the truth. notice what he said at Acts 7:54-60;

We have proof that Stephen appealed (prayed) to Jesus in Heaven Acts 7:59.

To no disappointment: Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) Only selected or Chosen a few

to go to heaven according to Revelation 14:1,3. notice the scripture said "from Earth" (redeemed or taken from)

Not all are picked as presidents only one is. and there are those selected under him. Revelation 20:4,6

HOPE THE SCRIPTURES ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION: Psalm 37

Rev 20:11-15,

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Rev 19:20,

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10,,

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER."

You are replying to a comment by "Eric rod"

When you Say pre post, Do you mean signs?

Hi Jema,

Jesus tells us below - that we should fear God as He can cast us into hell.

Luke 12:4-5

4And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Here a just a few of many verses stating that the unjust/unbeliever/unrepentant sinner will suffer for eternity in Hell.

Luke 16:22-25

Matt 25:41

Matt 3:12

Matt 25:46

Daniel 12:2

Mark 9:44-49

2 Thess 1:8-9

Rev 20:10

Rev 14:10-11

I know in the world we live in today, the popular belief among many preachers and Christians is that God is only good, kind, loving, and forgiving, and because of this - He will not throw anyone into Hell - to suffer for eternity. But that God will only leave us dead for eternity. This kind of teaching is false doctrine and does not conform to the bible, and Jesus own words. As Christian's we must always have a healthy fear of God.

Proverbs 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

God tells us Hell is real!

Read and Believe!

Amen brother Pierre1939"

The new covenant; the living word in YOU, the LIFE of Christ in YOU.

The Spirit of God; known as the Holy Ghost, the ONE and ONLY life in YOU.

John 16:8 And when the HOLY GHOST (the spirit of truth) is COME, the second coming of Christ like a thief in the night, in YOU. The Holy ghost will REPROVE the world of SIN ......

John 8:9 Of SIN because the don't BELIEVE on me (MY WORDS) .....

The blood of Christ covers ALL SIN; rightly dividing God's word (judgement) leads to TRUTH.

Proverbs 16:6 BY MERCY and TRUTH, iniquity (unbelief, sin) is PURGED .....

These words are for the readers, I know you have already been baptised into these truths.

God Bless You!

The world does not understand that we are now under a new Covenant....That Jesus gave us at Calvary by his blood ... Romans 8:2.....The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death....Thats y Jesus was saying if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me.... Jeremiah 31 :34.....I will make a new covenant not according to the old covenant....I will KNOW them All from the least to the greatest.....This KNOW them all is an intimacy that results in Child birth....for every body....Thats y he has to know us ....The Child is the H.G. Thats y Isaiah saw this KNOWLEDGE covering the earth as the waters covering the seas....Its ALL INCLUSIVE....I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and Child birth... Jeremiah 30:6....And I will stain all my raiment (with his blood ).....There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us like his blood....As we are his raiment.. i was in need of clothin and you clothe me.... Romans 8 :2 for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death....Thats y there in no more condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....Tho your sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow.....Even in the O.T. When i see the blood i will pass over you....And it was all inclusive.....No matter who it was or what they had done.....When i see the blood i will pass over you.....Thus how much greater is this New Covenant by the blood of Jesus....Thus this book that Jesus wrote with his own blood the book of life....That results in a living being born in us....Which is the gift of the H.G. that Child of Promise....A living being the gift of God....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in....k gbu

The True Gospel (part 2)

So having become saved we have also been delivered from bondage to sin and Satan and transferred from the kingdom of Satan into the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. Where we were "widows" and "orphans" and "fatherless", and have become the "bride" of Christ and adopted into God's family as His Children. And are safe and secure from the Wrath of God because where we were once at "war" with God, we are now at "peace" with God.

Now I have only scratched the surface here. But notice that every single action is the action of God, and not any action that we take. Our actions, our obedience to any commandment of God, our repentance, our belief, our endurance, etc. are all "works" That we will begin to do, not to initiate or maintain our salvation, but they are the result and evidence of our salvation, and the work that God has done for us, and in us.

There are those that would say that Christ paid for the sins of every individual in the entire world and that in order to be saved we must reach out and accept that salvation that God had earned for us. That is not the gospel of the Bible. It is a gospel of grace plus works. It is a gospel that declares Christ has done what he can do, and now it's up to us. It is a gospel that cannot save.

The true gospel is a gospel where God does 100% of the work in saving us He chose us, He paid for our sins, He draws us, he applies his salvation to our life , He keeps us, and He will complete our salvation at the Last Day.

So what can we do to become saved? We can do NOTHING.

But we can come to God in whatever condition we are, no matter how sinful we have been or may be now, Knowing that it is still the day of salvation, and God is still saving his elect, and we may be one of his elect. And we can cry to God for his mercy, and begin to turn away from our sins, in the very real hope that God might save us.

Christ came for sinners he did not come for good people.

David921

AMEN Brother David 921:

As God shines light into darkness we are always repenting of the beliefs of the flesh and growing in the grace of God.

I believe as you keep studying and God keeps teaching you, you will keep growing in truth.

I believe you will realize that death of unbelievers is not ETERNAL; but for a specified time, he presently is gathering the priest ONLY; into the kingdom of God, then he will resurrect ALL flesh that has died in unbelief back to their flesh and blood bodies, they will be judged by Christ and his priest and brought to TRUTH, that is the second death describe in Revelation.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.

They died in unbelief and are wanting in the grave, for the Sons of God to be gather to judge the world.

Romans 8:21 For the creature itself ALSO (second resurrection) shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the GLORIOUS liberty of the children of God (through judgement).

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's WORK shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be save, YET as by FIRE (judgement).

Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants SHALL LEARN righteousness.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When God has put all thing under Christ, GOD will be ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth ALL in ALL.

God bless you.

The True Gospel (part 1)

The True Gospel is circumscribed by the Bible alone and in its entirety and is a Gospel of Grace Alone.

We must start with the understanding that mankind by nature since Adam's sin is SPIRITUALLY DEAD, and subject to the Wrath of God and the Judgment of God because of our sins. This is our condition, apart from salvation, both in body and soul. And both our body and soul are subject to eternal death and destruction along with this sin-cursed earth.

Furthermore, we are in bondage to sin and Satan to whom God has given the authority to rule over this world, all of course under the ultimate authority of God Himself.

But despite this terrible situation, by God's Mercy and to demonstrate His Glory, God, before the foundation of this world, chose a people for Himself to save and to be with Him eternally in New Heavens and a New Earth. These are the Elect of God. We don't know how God made that choice but we know it was not based upon any worthiness in any one of us.

To accomplish this, the penalty required by the Law of God, for every dirty rotten sin of every one of His Elect was full paid by God Himself in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is, God in the person of Christ actually DIED and was then RESURRECTED to life again. Our minds cannot fully grasp this but we know it is a fact because God declares it in the Bible.

Then at some point in their life God applies that salvation to each and every one of His Elect in raising their Spiritually Dead soul to Spiritual Life by giving them a brand new Resurrected Soul which, in itself, cannot sin. 1 John 3:9. This is why when a believers body dies he goes to be with Christ in heaven in his soul existence.

Then at the Last Day God completes their salvation by giving them their Resurrected Spiritual Body which now, in a complete personality, will live and reign with Christ in New Heavens and New Earth eternally. 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15

Cont in part 2

David0921....I disagree with you in the spirit of love....The new heaven and new earth is simply our new hearts and new spirits....That New CREATURE....As Isaiah 66:22 says as the new heaven and the new earth shall remain so shall thy seed and name remain......The seed of the sower is gona form Christ in US.....Which is the gift of God the H.G. his NAME sake...Which is the Children of Promise....An Israel of God....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you....Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE.....David there is absolutely nothing wrong with this earth or the heavens.....Its mans evil adamic nature our Spirits that is satanic....Thats y Jesus said outa of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil.....Thats one of the reasons Jesus died was to destroy the works of the devil....All Sin is of the devil as John said....When he the spirit of truth is come he will reprove the WORLD of sin and Judgement and righteousness....Which is the womans Child of Rev 12:5....That is gonna rule all nations....Thats y God is telling us I will give them a new heart and a new spirit....Which is that New Covenant that Jesus gave us at Calvary.....The new book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Whosoever was not found written in this book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood at Calvary was cast into the lake of fire....As our God is a consuming fire....Which is baptism of the H.G. and FIRE....That y Jesus said every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire.....As our God is a consuming fire that is gona consume mans adamic nature the kindling.....Thats y Jesus says he came to bring fire on the earth....But the new heaven and new earth is not literal.....Its just prophetic of our new hearts and new spirit....But the Kingdom is gonna be here on this earth....As Rev.11:15 says the Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....And we shall reign on this earth.Gb

Thank you Jema for that encouragement.

We must always remember that any truth we may have come to is not because we are smarter or wiser than any one else. It is God Himself that must reveal truth to us from His Word, if indeed He has. And He will do that in accordance with His good pleasure on His time table, not ours.

I will say that I did not come to my beliefs regarding the nature of God's Judgment and Salvation Programs and my current understanding of end time events and what God declares about the churches and congregations of our day, solely by my own personal study while isolated somewhere in an ivory tower. But I have been blessed by faithful Bible teachers that have diligently searched the scriptures faithfully applying the principles of Bible interpretation that God has given us in the Bible itself. Some of that teaching can be found today in the ministry of SearchingHisWord and Alameda Bible Fellowship as I referenced previously.

We must also recognize that there are certain truths that could not be understood even by True Believers until we approach the time of the end as we read in Daniel 12:4

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

And Habakkuk 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

So if there was ever a time when we should be "searching the scriptures to see if these things be so", it is now.

Amen AMEN ! I have to go out now but latter today I will respond a bit more to you if that's ok , I have read a lot of old posts on this site and you should know that anyone and everyone else that has said pretty much the same as you , has been lambasted until they disappeared from this site , so be prepared ! God bless you for your bravery ! Be assured , I know very many other Christians , who like myself have come to the very same conclusion as you , you are not alone . Much love to you in Christ .

Chris,

I have come to believe the Bible does NOT teach that God's Judgment for our sin and rebellion against God includes conscious existence in a place called Hell where we will endure pain and suffering that continues for billions and billions of years without any end, i.e for ever and ever.

The Bible does teach I believe that the wages of sin is eternal death. That is eternal destruction, annihilation. This means of course that if we die unsaved there is no eternal inheritance for us living and reigning with Christ forever in the New Heavens and New Earth in eternal bliss that never ends. All that is lost which in itself is a terrible punishment.

The conventional understanding of God's Final Judgment for sin, of suffering and torment that has no end is inconsistent with everything in the Bible that speaks about the Mercy of God. To believe that would mean that an unsaved baby who dies at childbirth would suffer consciously without any end whatsoever. The idea of an "age of accountability" is nowhere found in the Bible and unless saved in the womb we are sinners from birth as the Bible clearly teaches.

Furthermore God is perfectly righteous which means that God has obligated Himself to follow the Laws that He sets forth, including the Law of Deuteronomy 25:1-3 that punishment for the wicked is Limited. It has an end.

So when when a person dies unsaved they will never again have conscious existence.

Now if we are unsaved and still living when Christ returns to Resurrect and Rapture All whom He has saved throughout time, and enter into the Day of Judgment there will be intense suffering and shaming. But that will come to an end when Christ destroys this sin-cursed earth and Satan and all the fallen angels by fire, and there will be no remembrance of anything related to this creation in eternity. God then creates New Heavens and a New Earth where all of those saved will live and reign with Christ throughout eternity, world without end.

True, David0921, 'stagnation' would be too subtle a word to more fully describe how the Church at large treats God's Word & deals with sin & rebuke of erring ones. Unfortunately, from my limited experience, it seems that the larger the Church (congregation), the weaker they are in some of these areas we've referred to. The smaller, & probably the more exclusive (sectarian) of them, keep a much more rigid control on behavior & adherence to the Word. Yet, saying that, often their teachings also tend to be a little off-track. A few however, I believe, have found the right balance.

Now, I have a query on what you had earlier written (& now), in discussion with Jema a few days ago: "So when we look at the nature of God's Judgment program very carefully, we find that the Final Punishment is annihilation, that is destruction". And I quote this as you also shared here, "When was the last time you heard a sermon that focused on the Judgment and Wrath of God for sin?" Obviously, I think I have misunderstood you, where it appears that you believe that the final state of man is, either he's enjoying eternal life with the Lord, or a cessation of all existence (annihilation, as you put it). And then the "Wrath of God for sin" as you now stated. Without making any further assumptions, maybe you could clarify your belief, as in my mind I'm unable to reconcile the two statements.

I believe that Matthew 10:28 was quoted as a reference to the complete destruction of soul & body, to which the Greek word does support; as it does to John 3:16 ("perish"), Romans 2:12, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 2 Peter 3:9, and many others. But reference wasn't made to Daniel 12:1,2; Matthew 18:8,9; Matthew 25:46; Jude 1:7; Revelation 20:10,14,15; & others. In the light of these other Scriptures as well as the essence of the Gospel message which requires an eternal suffering, or else we don't have any Good News of salvation to give, how should we understand your statements? Blessings.

Hi Adam.

Just referring in general whether on this site or the world.

That's why I said the world persecutes the Gospel message.

I gave an illustration of three different views.

The one that the world hates most is the message of the cross!

The slain Lamb that took away the penalty of sin for the whole world and made an atonement for those who believe.

That's the only message that's deemed foolish to the lost.

1 Corinthians 1:18-21.

That's the partition between those who are truly saved and those who are deceived.

The law is holy as Paul says in Romans 7:12.

But it doesn't regenerate the heart!

The law is the ministration of Death as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 3.

When the law came it slew us from Adam and Eve till the end of time!

It declared man guilty!!

It painted the picture of mankind in Adam!

Now that we have the law we also have sin and the wages of sin is death.

The world is softer on you do your best and the Lord will save you by his Love apart from Christ than Christ finish work on the cross apart from the Law.

And it's emphasized in this notion you can loose your Salvation.

If you can't work to get it, you can't work to keep it.

The regeneration by the Holyspirit is a neglected doctrine today.

Our measuring instrument is Love for the Brothern.

That's also misunderstood!

We treat "this Love" as an work rather than a fruit is a big issue.

God bless you.

NUMBERS CH. 18

Pt. 2

Vs. 14 tells the Levites that everything in Israel that is devoted (set apart-given over to the LORD be) is yours. All firstborn from the womb belong to the LORD, but firstborn humans are to be redeemed for a set price that is given to the Levites. The firstborn of the livestock cannot be redeemed and are to be used for sacrifices and offerings. They are to sprinkle the blood on the altar and burn their fat to the LORD. The meat can be eaten by the Levites. This meat is set aside for the all in the families of Levites as their regular share, thus bringing sustenance and a regular source of meat to these Israelites called to serve in the tabernacle.

The LORD tells Aaron that he will not have any share in the land as an inheritance because the LORD is his inheritance. This is a lovely gracious gift. The LORD is our inheritance, our portion, our satisfaction. We can have many things in this life and world, but to have the LORD as one's inheritance is the greatest thing! If we have HIm, everything else will be added to us as we need it.

The Levites are given all the tithes as their inheritance in return for their work they do serving in the Tent of Meeting.The Levites are to give Aaron and the priest a tenth of the tithe they receive and this tenth must be the best and holiest part of everything

given to them.

By living according to these regulations the Levites and priests will keep the tithes and offerings of the Israelites holy and they will not die of defiling the holy offerings given to them by the Israelites.

These ordinances ensure that the Levites and priests and their families are properly provided for. There should be no greed to have more than they truly need and to receive all tithes and offerings reverently because they are first of all given to the LORD and then the LORD gives them to the Levites.

After all the ways God brought death and judgment on the people who were rebellious and unbelieving, He should be taken seriously.

Mr. Spencer,

I was not suggesting in my comment that we should not call out false teaching when we hear it. We should. And I was not criticizing your doing that with the teachings that these individuals are proclaiming.

My comment was meant more as a general attitude and mindset that I think we should have as we do this.

It was not meant as a personal rebuke to you in any way.