Discuss Genesis 3 Page 17

Lift? I'm not sure why you think God is kidding. Do you believe that a snake with no arms and legs that crawls through the dust never breathes dust or gets dust in its mouth?

Serpent eats dust all the days of its lift?Art thou kidding,God?

Lamech,

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is ONE LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might."Deu 6:4-5

The Hebrew word for ONE (echd) is the same word in this verse...

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be ONE flesh." Gen 2:24

So when God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of us," He was referring the plurality of The Trinity: God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit.

In The Bible there are TWO "In the beginning..." verses.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Gen 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."Joh 1:1

The Word was in the beginning.

The Word was WITH God.

The Word WAS God.

This is a way of saying that The Word (The Son) was involved with the creation with God (The Father). If you continue to read John 1, you will see that "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." This was Jesus!

The teaching about The Trinity is that God is ONE BEING comprised of three PERSONS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Each of the Persons are fully God, but distinct Persons.

Hope this helps.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: When God made Adam, He made him a "body", a "soul", and a "spirit"

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (that's the body,) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; (that's the spirit, ) and man became a living soul" (body, soul, and spirit.) According to Luke chapter three, Adam was the son of God."

A son of God is a creature that is sinless at the time of his creation. So in the Bible you have "Angels" called sons of God, Adam is called a son of God, the nation of Israel are called sons of God, Jesus Christ is called the only Begotten Son of God, and when YOU get born again, and made a new creature, you are then called a son of God.

Oh! surely, you can understand the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit can't you?

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us." God must be not one,they are as many as grass everywhere in the Eden.

The Bible said the earth was round (circle) back when the world's best and brightest scientists thought it was flat: Isaiah 40:22

No. The earth is not flat. The Bible does not say the earth is flat, anywhere. I assure you 100%, Earth, is not flat.

does the Bible say that the earth is flat?? where if it does.

Hello Anji,

I am so happy to hear you are reading the Bible...it can be quite challenging at times. The "Us" you are referring to if the doctrine of the Trinity. You may have also read it in Genesis 1:26 when God says "let us" and "our image". You will read it again in Genesis 11:7 when God says "let us". But the clearest picture of the Trinity and the Godhead is not given until the New Testament: 1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. God is complex and it can really make your head spin trying to understand everything about Him, but He is triune; three in one; One God. We are made in His image; as such, we are also triune: Body, Soul and Spirit: " 1 Thessalonians 5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." This is called the "tripartite" nature of man. Much like the divine Trinity, the three parts of a human make one being.

To explain Genesis 3:15, the best way to read the verse in context...meaning understanding what is going in. The Serpent has just deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam. Adam and Eve had their eyes opened after eating the fruit from the one tree God commanded them not to eat from. God is now meting out judgement.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity (animosity) between you and the woman..." The Lord is speaking to the serpent (Satan), "...and between your seed..." (offspring or those who follow Satan) "...and her Seed..." (The Lord Jesus Christ) Christ "...shall bruise your head..." (the Victory that Jesus won at the Cross Colossians 2:14-15) , "...and you shall bruise His Heel..." the sufferings of the Cross.

I hope this helps you. Keep investigating!!

Zaniya,

God is not a man.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."Joh 4:24

Perhaps you meant something else. Can you explain what you meant?

god is a great man i will never stop loving him

Thank you for that information; I would have liked to know more about the first Bible you mentioned, with the missing first page, & done some research on it. I can agree with the other reference you gave from the other Bible (i.e. Genesis 6:5 with Romans 1:28-31), even though I don't have that particular cross reference in my Bible. But to connect Jeremiah 2:23 to Genesis 3:12.13 is mystifying to me.

Anyway, I tried to do a Cross-Reference search via Open Bible & I did find these two references, along with many others, that were cross referenced to Genesis 3:12,13. Maybe you could go back to that old Bible you used to find this reference & see where the cross reference is applied, as where the a, b, c, etc are placed are important.

Apparently, in Genesis 3:13, the phrase "What is this that thou hast done?" is the connection to Jeremiah 2:23, "know what thou hast done". So the cross reference has nothing to do with dromedaries, but only a connection to "thou hast done". Any other connection would seem totally unreasonable, whether in context or in English usage. So, I won't pursue further your application of the dromedary to how God looks at us sinners; or even the use of other animals (fish, gnats, creeping things, etc.) for the same reason. Maybe, it might be interesting to check out your other cross references, particularly associating the various types of fornication to being the cause of other sins. As you know, I understand that fornication is just another sin along with every other sin.

Marilyn, just another question for you (aside from the present discussion), since you mentioned a cross reference of Jeremiah 3:23 to Genesis 3:12. Since I'm still trying to place your understanding of the Bible with what is normally understood by others, & of course taking into account your earlier mention of the pastor who shared some things with you that greatly upset you, I therefore ask you:

What is this Study Bible that you are reading from? Most Bibles will have another name, or at least mentioned within its early pages, give an indication of who has put it together. I mentioned earlier that mine is the KJV Ryrie Study Bible; anyone familiar with Bibles will immediately know the name as Charles C. Ryrie, a department Chairman, from the Dallas Theological Seminary. And if astute enough, they will probably know my theological position on a number of doctrines & teachings. But your interpretation of Scripture, it's cross references, & indeed your focus on perverted sin, tells me that your Bible is 'different' to what most of us read from. Would you care to oblige me this information? Thank you.

When I read my KJV bible it tells me to believe as a child, and so I do believe, in Rev 22:18-19 it tells me not to add nor subtract from the words written in this book, and I don't. When you say "It is more logical to believe there were other people for them to marry." you ignore the fact of; who then created them, or where were they from, did they also sin like Adam and Eve or were they sinless, and so many more unanswered questions. After they disobeyed God and eat of the fruit of the tree, and sinned in the garden, scripture tells us in Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." then, as per your logic, scripture must be wrong. Then I must agree with Paul when he says "God forbid". Noah and his family would have had a similar situation, only with four families instead of one as Genesis 7:6-13 Noah was six hundred years old at the time of the flood, Also Lot in Genesis 19:30-38

I've had similar conversations with some of my friends over the years, we need to understand that, all these events happened prior to the law being given to Moses, and for these events happening as scripture says it does, and as per God's plan, I believe. I do hope this helps.

1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

Hi Elison, The way you addressed you question you have the order of creation correct. God started with Adam and Eve. If they had other people on earth whats the point in forming Adam from the dust of the ground?

( Genesis 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ) And why go through the trouble of taking a rib from Adam to make woman?

In this next verse you see Adam is all alone.

Genesis 2:18. ( And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.)

In this next verse he makes woman!!

Genesis 2:21-22. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And then he commanded them to populate the earth.

( Genesis 1:28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: ) notice this next verse, Eve is the mother of ""ALL"" living.

Genesis 3:20. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

So we come to their Children.

In order to do what God commanded, it's reasonable to believe Adam and Eve had daughters and they populated the earth through their children. I don't understand why people see that's a problem with God!! We do know the world we live in now started with just 8 souls. I hope that helps

Please guide me as to the verses regarding cremation. Whether pro or anti. We have read Genesis 3:19. Need further direction as it pertains to the Catholic Church.

Hi Marilyn, Evil didn't start in Eden, Isaiah 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. I think you are meaning "The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil" Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. What happened to man wants he ate of that tree? Genesis 3:7, And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were "NAKED"; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. naked in the bible often expresses sin exposed, and garments often expresses righteousness. Some would say Adam and Eve was clothed with light before the fall, The question is when did they become naked/sinful? When they bit of the fruit? I believe eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil revealed their nakedness to them, The issue was what they did afterwards, "clothed themselves". Their fall was no surprise to God, he set forth the plan of redemption before the world begun, 1st Peter 1:18-20. Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The scripture says by one man sin entered the world, not evil. I believe there is a difference between the two by means of definition. Apart from the Holy Spirit man is flesh and lost in the wilderness, and easy prey for Satan. In the millennium man will have a thousand years in the best conditions to evolve with Satan chained up, and prove himself. but after all those years of practice here is what happens. Revelation 20:7-8, And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. THKS

In Genesis 1:26, we see the plurality of God in that great creative work of mankind. We know that Jesus was also involved in creation ( Colossians 1:15,16) & that mankind was to bear the image of the Deity. When Jesus took on humanity, that 'exterior' image faded but the full Image & Being of the Godhead was not diminished.

In Genesis 1:27, we read that "God created man in his OWN Image", which I don't see as presenting any problem as it's still the self-same God in His Triunity that created man to bear His Image.

Then in Genesis 3:22 we read, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil". Here again, God brings in the Fullness of His Being, as created man stepped outside of God's Will & now able to discern between good & evil, & has further taken on another aspect of God. Man lost his innocence by his sinning against God.

The above verses reveal to us the triunity of God, but when we get to Genesis 11:7, we read: "Let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." We can't be sure who went with God to do this work: was it Jesus as God's Word, or the angels or some Beings of Heaven, we don't know. Since it didn't involve the creation of someone or something to bear His Image, we could understand that others were involved at the Tower of Babel.

My brother Robert,

Well at least thank you for replying to me. Although you gave no answer to the one question I asked about the verse. That the the Spirit of Truth shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear. That's ok though. Nobody knows everything.

The reply you gave to brother Adam doesn't answer anything, for me, really. I know of many names that are of God Almighty(Father) that are not of Jesus Christ and vice versa. As you stated there are some they both use.

John 20:17 is good: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus stating "go to my brethren". Is God our Father or Brother? I call God Father just as Jesus Christ did. Since receiving the Holy Spirit of adoption from Him.

Here's one passage in the old testament speaking of a Father and Son. Proverbs 30:4

And one about Gods Servant or Elect One. Isaiah 42:1

Just a couple names referring to the Father and not Jesus Christ: The Most High, Lord of Hosts, Ancient of Days, God of gods, The Vine Grower, Our Father which art in Heaven etc.

Some names referring to Jesus Christ not God the Father: The Son of God, The Anointed One(Christ or Messiah), High Priest, The Bread of Life, Mediator between God and men, The Vine, Lamb of God, Chief corner Stone etc.

And of coarse many names both the Father and Son share. As they are One in each other. Although I do not believe the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son as you do.

Either way I have no problem with how you portray our Lord. I respect you either way. That you are with Jesus Christ our Salvation. That is the important part. I hope you don't think less of me, or us who perceive differently, brother. May our Lord Bless you with peace and good health. Amen.

Brother Richard, please see my response to Brother Adam - as I have similar response to you.

My brother Robert,

I am very confused on why you curse those who believe in God as triune or three in One. Yet you seem to believe that Jesus is "dual nature". As you state. All God and all Man. Which is the same thing. Dual is consisting of "two" parts. Again proven throughout the gospels that Jesus was not speaking to or praying to Himself. He was praying to His Father in Heaven who sent Him, was with Him, and in Him. As God is Spirit. They being One.

So it seems ok with you for two as you state "dual nature".

I will humbly ask you to please explain one verse my brother. Please help us understand your view.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So the dual nature of Jesus which is God(Spirit) and flesh. The Word is what became flesh and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father. Plus the Holy Ghost equals three. Exactly as ( 1 John 5:7 states. All of One God.

May the Lord bring us together in peace. Amen.

To be born again, we go through the following: #1. Confess & repent on our sins, accept Jesus as our God and Savior;

#2. Water baptism - immersion equal to death to sins, rising from water - new birth; #3. God baptized us with the Holy Spirit - we become children of God; #4. Holy Spirit leads us to the perfection tests or sanctification - we go through trials, all sorts of problems - God uses these to test & grow our faith, purge us from our old sinful nature, prideful self-centered desires of the flesh, in order to mold us in the image and likeness of Jesus. This is the same perfection process our Lord Jesus (dual nature as God and man) as a man, not as God, so you and I can emulate.

This is an ongoing process that we go through to keep us holy until the second coming of our Lord Jesus.

John 6:63

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Genesis 3:12

"And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

Don't follow man

Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4&5

Hiya Steven and Chris no pun intented what i was impling is that Chris was saying that water baptism H20 makes our conscience clean which is not so we are made Clean our Conscience BY the WATER of the WORD which is Baptism of the H.G. That living water, baptism of the H.G the well of water that springs up unto everlasting life not h20 baptism . Remember Jesus Knew that all of his disciples had been washed, water baptised but he warns them IF I WASH THEE NOT YOU WILL HAVE NO PART WITH ME Which is baptism of the H.G. the water of the LIVING word ,you are made CLEAN BY THE WORD I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU which is H.G BAPTISM. NOT WATER BAPTISM AS THEY ALL HAD BEEN WATER BAPTISED PREVIOUSLY. But Jesus tells his own disciples that had been water baptised IF i wash thee not you will have NOPART with me which speaks volumes of a greater baptism of the blood th BAPTISM OF THE H.G. THE CROSS. that baptism OF Promise. That makes the blood of no effect to say that water baptism can cleanse our conscience its like saying the Blood of the Cross was insufficent . Thats y the Lord was so upset with PETER SAYING THEY WERE NOT CLEAN YET THEY STILL NEEDED WATER BAPTISM IN ACTS 10. And God showed peter in a trance that what i have made clean( God was baptising folks with the H.G. that resulted from the blood) The only cleanser, do not call common or unclean. K

Time started in the beginning gen.1:1

Explain to me why you believe what you said because a Loving Almighty God would not give us a life to live which is meaningless and then we die. that verse is their to explain what God had to prepare adam and eve for in the middle of a catastrophic situation.

This life is not supposed to be pleasurable, pleasure is only here to teach us about our purpose, not to replace it. Man is supposed to work, and hate his work, all days of his life, until he finally freed by death.