Discuss Hebrews 10 Page 4

  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 24 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    Luke 12:5

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    Romans 6:1-2

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Matthew 12:31-32

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    Hebrews 3:12

    Romans 11

    The Bible answers this question quite clearly. Some are trying to use human logic through cherrypicking and misinterpreting a couple verses instead of simply believing God's truth through the whole Bible. Satan wants people to assume they have an insurance policy and license to commit unlimited sin and do whatever they want.

    Does the Bible even say you're instantly "saved" when you start to believe, or does it say that you can have hope of salvation and assurance of salvation if you are a genuine follower until the "end" on the day of judgment? Let's see if the Bible says "now" or in the "end"...

    Matthew 24:13

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    1 Peter 1:5

    - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Peter 1:13

    "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Hebrews 10:36

    "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Gigi.

    Part 3. J Vernon Mcgee.

    Therefore, faith rests upon the Word of God. Our dogmatism comes from the Book. That is the reason the writer to the Hebrews said in Hebrews 10:39, "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." There are only two ways to go. Either you are going backwards, or you are going to go forwards. Anything that is alive cannot stand still. Out yonder in the forest there is regression and deterioration taking place, but there is also growth and development. Nothing alive out there is standing still - it cannot.

    "The evidence of things not seen." In the Greek the word is elegchos. It is a legal term meaning "evidence that is accepted for conviction." When I was studying classical Greek in college, I observed that this word is used about twenty-three times in Plato's account of the trial of Socrates. Evidence is something you take into court to prove your case.

    Faith is not a leap in the dark. Faith is not a "hope so." Faith is substance and evidence - substance for a scientific mind, and evidence for a legal mind. If you really want to believe, you can believe. You can believe a whole lot of foolish things, but God doesn't want you to do that. He wants your faith to rest upon the Word of God.

    -From Edited Messages on Hebrews by Dr. J. Vernon McGee.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Prosperity.

    The law was given to Israel but let's set that aside.

    You are right in that you say, "The Commandments must be kept" Israel couldn't obtain salvation thru the keeping of the law and neither can we.

    Christ came to free us from the curse of the law, that doesn't mean he did away with The Law.

    In the old covenant "under the law" there was sacrifices made for sin. Those sacrifices pointed ahead to the only sacrifice that could take away sin AND regenerate the believer by the Spirit. Hebrews 10:3-10.

    The old covenant had no power over the incurable heart. The new covenant humbled the sinner and pointed him in the right direction. "CHRIST" Ezekiel 36:26-27. Jeremiah 31:31-33.

    The old covenant slew us and is called the ministration of death. Romans 7:5-11. 2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

    The new covenant gave mercy. Why mercy? Because no one could keep the law, and no one is able to do so today. Putting ourselves in chains and grinding our teeth while restraining from sin isn't keeping the law. Galatians 2:21.

    The commandments given didn't say keep the commandments as best you can.

    You're breaking the law in your heart You're still a sinner. There's no sanctification. Christ came to give new birth and a new heart accompanied with mercy and grace.

    The second you broke any one of them you were forever lost if there was no sacrifice that could take away sin. Hebrews 10:1-5.

    It was the sacrifices that pointed to Christ that made atonement for those sins.

    Israel having God in their midst with all the providence showed the world that the heart of man is incurably wicked.

    The law showed that there was a need of a savior that could regenerate the believer and give a new heart and life.

    The commandments are Holy and was given to a nation that was set apart to show man with God in their midst was nothing like God being "IN" them.

    That's what's available today.

    Read Galatians 3:10-26.

    Perhaps more on this later this weekend God bless."
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Gigi.

    Well spoken, Jesus came to redeem all of creation from the curse pronounced on the world in Genesis. The work of the cross didn't just redeem us, Christ came to redeem all that was created. Romans 8:21-23. The commandments weren't set forth to do that. The commandments were to show the need for redemption.

    The commandments given didn't say keep the commandments the best you can.

    The second you broke any one of them you were forever lost if there was no sacrifice that could take away sin. Hebrews 10:1-5.

    It was the sacrifices that pointed to Christ that made atonement for those sins.

    Israel having God in their midst with all the providence showed the world that the heart of man is incurably wicked.

    The law showed that there was a need of a savior that could regenerate the believer and give a new heart and life.

    The commandments are Holy and was given to a nation that was set apart to show man with God in their midst was nothing like God being "IN" them.

    That's what's available today.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Earl,

    I'm sure you are 100% confident of your beliefs. I'm sure you know that most Christians believe in hell because hell is mentioned in the Bible. I'm sure you've already heard the Bible verses and interpretations of those, so I will keep my comment short. Because you are commenting on a public forum its assumed that you are willing to receive a reply from the public.

    I'm curious about the belief of not believing in hell or how someone can read the same Bible and reach that conclusion. If this were true that no one goes there then why would hell exist in the first place, why did Jesus warn us about it like Mark 9:43-48, and what then would the purpose be for becoming a Christian or spreading the gospel?

    If everyone is saved regardless of our beliefs or actions, then despite Hebrews 10:26-31 do you think God would be ok with everyone to go out tonight to induldge in the evils of this world and intentionally commit every kind of sin against God imagineable?

    Thank you for sharing your beliefs...
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

    It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

    1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Gigi.

    Hebrews 10:19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (We can now come into his presence)

    1 Corinthians 6:19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (Because he abides in us.)

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is "HE" that is in you, than he that is in the world. (It is a "HE" that is in you that is stronger than he that is in the world.)

    John 17:21-23. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, (AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM). "The Holyspirit is God's spirit in us!

    Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (It is the father, the son, and the Holyspirit abiding in us according to these scriptures.) AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

    Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

    With so many scriptures like this given a would be confusing if there were no trinity.

    The way you have explained it often is well represented by scripture.

    God bless you.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 24 - 2 years ago
    Psalm 24 and the eastern gate

    Suleiman in 1540 apparently sealed the eastern gate in Jerusalem; which is apparently where the Messiah is going to return at the Second Coming (or shortly thereafter after defeating His enemies). We can see this in the beginning of Ezekiel 43 as well as Ezekiel 44 in the closing of the gate. There are other scriptures in Nehemiah and Zechariah which point to the glory of the Lord to the east as well.

    The repeated theme in verses 7 through 10 could also refer to Christ's triumphant return to the heavenly city and throne when He sat at the right hand of God after accomplishing His work here on earth ( Acts 2:33; Hebrews 10:12 and about 100 ADDITIONAL cross references to that affect!)

    When we see His triumphant return; His vestures are dipped in blood. ( Rev. 19:13; Isaiah 63:3). It is certainly possible that when He first entered heaven there was some of the blood from His atonement placed there ( Hebrews 9:12). I would take this verse literally; although there is commentary from some famous people (I will leave unnamed) who say to the contrary.

    A couple other themes seen in verses 1 and 2 show the original earth and that after the flood that God established. To be in heaven according to verses 3 through 5 have certain characteristics. We need to heed not swearing deceitfully as well; for any covenant or vow before God is something we are to keep our end on (and I am placing the marriage covenant there as well). God is eternal therefore not planning to change His covenants; with the exception of the New Covenant that He established abrogating the sacrifices of the O.T. for a better one ( Matt. 26:28; etc.) Verse 6 states a generation of them that seek Him; that could be the whole resurrected group of saints; or the Millennial generation born on earth after He comes; or both.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Mark 16 - 2 years ago
    Dear Jag,

    I will speak about your second question. I think it is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus saves all of us, body, soul, and spirit.

    1Thessalonions 5:22

    Hebrews 10:39

    James 1:21

    All speak of the salvation of our souls.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I wonder if there's a difference between discerning, judging, and condemning.

    Matthew 7:1-5 - says not to judge, then elaborates that if you are a hypocrite. But what if you're following Jesus, not a hypocrite and you're genuinely trying to help a loved one avoid ruining their life to sin? Are we to still keep our mouths shut and stay out of their business altogether, and how does that benefit your loved one?

    I can say from personal experience that those who risked offending me to speak truth to help me I have been most appreciative of in the long run. Those who kept their mouth shut while I was hurting or embarrassing myself showed the relationship was weak.

    John 7:24 - says to judge, then elaborates on righteous judgment.

    1 Corinthians 15:33 - says bad company corrupts and we should avoid. But if we don't evaluate their moral condition then how would we even know if they're good company or bad company?

    I remember Joel Osteen caved on national TV when asked about hell and judgment- and suggested that everyone is good or something. What about those living in sin who will never escape unless they hear the reality that, yes, they will burn in hell if they continue their ways. Is truth and tough love always bad?

    Romans 14:10-13, Hebrews 10:30 suggests not judging their salvation in the way I'm reading it. But some suggest someone trying to seek vengeance too, which is of course bad.

    The reality is everyone judges. You judge if a babysitter will harm your child or not, you wouldn't hire an atheist for a job as Christian pastor, you would illegally ask them about their beliefs. Yes, this is illegal in the US, even though its understood and common sense that everyone does this.

    Street evangelists commonly ask if the person believes they're going to heaven or not. Are they not to do that?

    If anyone has more clarification on this topic for when is appropriate for each type of judgment / evaluation of others then that might be useful. God bless.
  • Mel - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I would never tell you that you are wrong if you truly are unable to attend in person. However, I would encourage you to think about the added benefits of having in-person fellowship with other believers. If you are able to go to church, it is definitely worthy of the effort. There is a special blessing in gathering together with others to sing, pray and share the Word in the same place. There is also the blessing of the interactions you will share there like conversations, smiles, hugs, encouragement and so on that you miss out on when you watch from home. And consider this, that perhaps someone there needs you to be their source of encouragement? Seek out the blessings!

    I leave you with a few verses on fellowship.

    Ecclesiastes Chapter 4

    9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

    10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

    11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

    12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

    Hebrews 10:24, 25

    And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Joleen, hello! You can talk to your pastor about being baptized in your church. If you don't go to church, please start attending a good Gospel church. Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

    God bless you!
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Page 1.

    Hello Lorraine. Usually, when we look at a verse we tend to form an opinion based on what that verse seems to be telling us. Yet, the general rule is that we need to consider what the writer is actually writing about (in that chapter or book). So, I don't believe that these verses ( Hebrews 10:26,27) speak about forgiveness of past & present sins but of what was taking place at that time.

    Just looking at Hebrews chapter 10 only, we see from verses 1 to 8 that the writer is writing about the temporary nature of the Law & that it was never meant to be able to deal with the sin question. The sacrifices were only a 'covering' for Israel's sins to avert God's punishment for their disobedience, until God's Own Sacrifice in Jesus (verses 9 to 21) would adequately make full payment for all sin for all people who turn to Him.

    Then from verse 26, the writer declares, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sinsbut a looking for of judgement". We might think that he is writing about any wilful sin, but then in verse 29, he explains it, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

    So here we see what he meant by sinning wilfully; this was a sin of returning back to the Law & Sacrifices, thereby not only negating Jesus' Sacrifice, but deeming it inadequate or even unnecessary to secure salvation & to avert God's Anger. To those who now believed this, the writer says he will be even 'more sorely punished' because unbelief is one thing, but to trample on Jesus' Sacrifice disregarding the pure Blood that was shed for us, is unforgiveable. And as Levi as written, 'it becomes an unpardonable sin' to hold such a belief.
  • Lorraine - 2 years ago
    Can someone explain Hebrews 10:26-27. Reading it makes me question if you can't be forgiven for past sin, while we are told that if we confess our sins we will be forgiven. I'm a tad confused.

    Thank you.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10

    Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Mark 13:13 KJV
  • Anna - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalm 24:8 kjv, Hebrews 10:19 kjv, Luke 19:10 kjv, Isaiah 42:7 kjv, Acts 26:18 kjv, 2 Peter 3:9 kjv.
  • Ronnette on John 16:33 - 2 years ago
    QJohn 16:12-3 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Galatians 1:3-5. All I can tell us is thismemorize your KJV Bible. Save as many as your love one's. Be patient. Listen more and speak less. Love your spouse deeply. Grow in grace and true charity 1 Corinthians 13:1-13. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18. The time is at hand. We will see more changes and mark this day. Watch carefully. Revelation 3:2-3. There is a spiritual message in Job 20:1-29. Be careful for nothing Philippians 4:6. Hebrews 10:31, but Revelation 21:8. I comfort you with these 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. As you walk in the Spirit of God, Proverbs 23:4-5. Those who are in Spirit understand Psalm 90:10 read the whole chapter. Our meditation be Psalms 91:1:16 memorize and our prayers today be Psalms 55:1-23. Peace.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Mark,

    My comment is that salvation is conditional whether people believe it or not, because its what the Bible says. It's full of calls to action and challenging us to change our behavior. Most people will not be saved Matthew 7:13. Salvation is with grace but is only for believers/followers- a choice that each person must make. One way to summarize this action appears to be genuine belief and faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16. That is an action and choice.

    So, if someone does not believe, one can presume the unbeliever will not be saved. This already "offends" a lot of people, because some want to justify themselves in their own mind while doing the bare minimum they assume God wants. Some have been deceived into believing obeying God is "bad." But believing is only one of many action verbs the Bible challenges us to do. Other actions fall under this category of genuine active belief and following Jesus too. All these verses in the Bible are true and are equally important. Some like to cherry pick one, but ignore others and assume they don't apply, but they all apply and are true and are God's word.

    believe:

    John 3:16

    follow Jesus:

    John 8:12

    deny himself:

    Luke 9:23

    confess:

    Romans 10:9

    faith:

    Ephesians 2:8

    hearing:

    Romans 10:17

    repent and be baptized:

    Acts 2:38

    keep commandments:

    John 15:10

    love:

    Matthew 22:37-40

    There are many more. Some falsely assume by obeying God they are doing 'works' and that is 'bad', therefore, obeying God is 'bad'. No, that's not what the Bible says, and obeying doesn't mean you're saved by works or that people who obey believe that.

    My last comment is that James and Paul are consistent. Some assume Paul was anti-works, but only if you cherry pick a few verses and ignore large parts of his book can that conclusion be drawn. Paul was very much pro-obedience as the following verses demonstrate:

    Romans 2:9-10

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    Galatians 5:1-4

    2 Timothy 2:10

    Hebrews 10:26

    2 Corinthians 5:10
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please note these scriptures all seem to include treatment of people : James 2, note James 2:1-6, James 2:8, * James 2:14,15,16,17,

    Matthew 25:31-46, Isaiah 58, John 13:34, Romans 12:10, Romans 13:8, 1Peter 3:8, Hebrews 10:24,

    Romans 4, notice in those 'works' it's speaking of circumcision Romans 4:1, Romans 4:9-13, not acts of compassion

    They don't contradict each other they're completely separate issues, Deuteronomy 10:16-20,

    Malachi 3:5,10 = Deuteronomy 26:10-13 , Exodus 22:22, Deuteronomy 14:22-29, Deuteronomy 24:14-15, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,

    Matthew 5:16-20, Matthew 7:12-27 = Mark 12:38-40, Mark 23, Luke 20:46,47, Isaiah 9:17,

    Hopefully helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on John 13 - 2 years ago
    Page 3.

    Does Satan have the authority to take away life? I believe that only God gives & takes away life. In Satan's domain (i.e. outside the Church to which a sinning believer might be sent), pain & destruction may well be the physical demise of the believer, to the end that his "spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus".

    Re: "untimely death". I mean that a life was shortened because of God's action against sin. We see this in many instances in the OT & NT, & especially that we have already mentioned Ananias & Sapphira ( Acts 5); 1 Corinthians 11:27-30; Acts 12:21-23.

    Re: Hebrews 10:26,27 & we can add, Hebrews 6:4-6 as well; these verses have been discussed previously by bro Jesse & myself & too long to deal with here.

    Re: Acts 21:20. All I can see from this limited detail, is that the Church (the Jewish component), hadn't properly dealt with the separation of the Law & the liberty they ought to have enjoyed in Christ. Much like today, when those coming out of other religions or cults, might take a long time to understand & resolve matters that have been indoctrinated deep into their minds. The fact that the Jerusalem council seemed to understand & accept this matter didn't warrant them to address it. However, Paul always did & was taken to task for doing so.

    I hope I've addressed the points you raised, brother. I know we will see these things differently, but I hope you can also see how I understand it: the Lord knows His children & they have been brought into His family by His indwelling Spirit. Does God make an error in doing so? Or, are His children secure in Him & when they err, His correction done in love, will always bring us back into fellowship. If it doesn't do so, then, speaking personally, I would have to question my salvation, that it was merely a mental or emotional assent given, without a true change in heart & spirit. And that's the only way I can understand some of these difficult, apparently contentious, Scriptures. Every blessing.
  • Giannis - In Reply on John 13 - 2 years ago
    Pt. 3.

    Chris

    Well it really gets long, I hope I don't tire you.

    Please read Ezekiel 18:24. "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." Since one's righteousness will not be mentioned, and he will die in his sin, what should I therefore conclude? That he is going to hell, isn't it so?

    Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

    In the above Paul doesn't talk about unbelievers, for those salvation is always available even if they once rejected it. Paul talks about people who were once in faith but later lost their faith and believed that Jesus' sacrifice and Blood were nothing really.

    So brother my belief is that if ones turns away from God, and despite God's efforts to make him repent, he dies in his sin then he will not enter Heaven but hell.

    Now I want to ask you a question. We agree that if somebody seeks salvation not only through Jesus' sacrifice, but through works, then he is not granted salvation. So what do you make of those Jews that believed to Jesus but still obeyed the Law of Moses. James said to Paul in Acts 21:20 "And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:". Those thousands of Jews were saved, weren't they? But how come since they were zealous of the law?

    I don't mean to be offensive even if sometimes it seems so. If we don't agree it is OK, we actually know what we both believe but we try to get to a possible agreement

    God Blessings
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 2 years ago
    Hi Renee,

    This is a common question and that's even one of the FAQs: Link

    My question is if it was impossible for Christians to lose salvation, then why did Jesus warn His followers so many times to avoid sin? They were literal Christians in that they literally followed Christ around and remember all the challenges and parables He spoke? Most involved being separate from those thrown into the fire. Jesus never said to relax and don't worry, and enjoy the world, including sin, because there's no consequences anymore. One would think that satan would say that. That doesn't mean people earn heaven by works, as it's only grace, but being allowed into heaven is conditional on being a legit follower of Christ, meaning actually doing what He says! James 1:22. And sadly most people won't make it, and probably many of them think they're 'good' and entitled to get in, and some may even call themselves Christians. Matthew 7:21-23

    Also, if all you have to do to get to heaven is just believe, then why does the Bible say this? James 2:19. The fact is that satan is roaming to deceive people, even among Christians. Is he deceiving people into being 'gooder' than they need to be or is it more likely he is deceiving people into assuming rationalizing evil and assuming they're saved when they are actually disrespecting and spitting on Jesus? Hebrews 10:26. This should deeply scare some people and they should feel it in their heart if this applies to them.

    Instead Jesus kept warning Christians and everyone over and over and challenging them. Paul also was frustrated with some of the Christians who were going astray and read what he wrote in his letters to them. Paul said to run the race to get the prize. He didn't say the race is already won, so go sin as much as you want. There's lots of scripture echoing this, but these are easy to find and there's lists in that page above too. Also the idea of being able to commit horrible sins as a Christian and still go to heaven contradicts scripture in blasphemy of the holy ghost, because it clearly says no one will be forgiven of that.

    Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - all will be judged, including Christians. Some like to assume they get to skip that as if they have a free pass . It clearly says ALL, not some, and not just non-Christians.

    Hebrews 10:26
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi James.

    Maybe? Hebrews 10:5-10 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

    Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

    Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

    By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Or perhaps John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

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  • Our Father in Heaven and some Blood of Jesus scriptures - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jesus always spoke of his Father in Heaven.

    Matthew 16:17

    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in HEAVEN.

    [not in Rome]

    Matthew 23:9

    And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in HEAVEN.

    Mark 13:32

    But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    Matthew 5:16

    Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father

    WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

    Some Blood of Jesus scripture references:

    Hebrews 10:19 and 13:12; Ephesians 2:13

    1 John 1:7 and 1 John 5:6

    Matthew 16:17

    I do not want to offend. The Pope, nor any priest of the Catholic Church should be called Father.

    God is a consuming fire.

    As long as we keep those facts straight, we are ok. The council of Nicea, adopted the King James Bible for all faiths to use.

    The way things are going, in the World, now: is a good time to be following Jesus.

    Recently, the Pope went to Israel and counseled them to give the West Bank to the Palestinians.

    In the Book of Genesis, God made a Covenant through Abraham concerning the Lands of Israel; which includes Jerusalem. The Final wars of mankind will be over Who Owns Israel.

    If you don't have a Bible, there is a full Bible on this Website, plus Commentarie.
  • Adam - In Reply on Galatians 6 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Cor 9:24-27 run the race

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    2 Peter 3:17

    Luke 8:5-18

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Hebrews 3:12

    Galatians 5:4

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    2 Peter 2:20-21

    Romans 11

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    Important to read all scripture in its full context, not just cherry pick. When reading in context its obvious from countless passages, parables, teachings that God wants us to obey him! Satan deceives believers into assuming doing evil is ok; it's not.
  • Psalm 110 Benson Commentary - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 2 years ago
    Benson Commentary

    Psalm 110:1. The Lord said unto my Lord, Jehovah ladoni, the saying, or decree, that is, I record the saying or decree of Jehohovah to my Lord, that is, to his Son the Messiah, whom I acknowledge as my Lord and God. This decree, made in eternity, was in due time published, and was actually executed when God raised up Christ from the dead, and brought him into his heavenly mansion. David designedly calls the Messiah his Lord, to admonish the whole church, that although he was his Song of Solomon according to the human nature, yet he had a higher nature, and was also his Lord, as being by nature God blessed for ever, and consequently Lord of all things, as he is called Acts 10:36; and by office, as he was God man, the Lord and King of the whole church, and of all the world, for the church's sake. And this was said to prevent that offence which the Holy Ghost foresaw the Jews and others would be ready to take at the meanness of Christ's appearance in the flesh. The Hebrew word adon, is one of God's titles, signifying his power and authority over all things, and therefore is most fitly given to the Messiah, to whom God had delegated all his power in the universe, > Matthew 28:18. Sit thou at my right hand - Thou who hast for so many years been veiled with infirm and mortal flesh, despised, rejected, and trampled upon by men, and persecuted unto death; do thou now take to thyself thy great and just power. Thou hast done thy work upon earth, now take thy rest, and the possession of that sovereign kingdom and glory, which by right belongs to thee; do thou rule with me, with an authority and honour far above all creatures, in earth or heaven. So this phrase is expounded in other places: see Luke 22:69; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12-13; Ephesians 1:20

    See BibleHubDOTcom
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Old Testament law: Deuteronomy 16:16, Exodus 34:23,24, Deuteronomy 31:11, Exodus 23:17, the dates of calendars have changed even the Hebrew / Jewish calendars. Moses through GOD established the beginning of the year to be the Passover, no calendar today honors that. Exodus 12:2, Exodus 12, Numbers 28:16,

    Jesus honored these things, along with His parents (on earth) Luke 2:22,23, Luke 2:41-49, John 4:45, John 5:1, John 10:22,23, even those who opposed Jesus expected Jesus to honor the appointed days : John 11:54-57, John 12, Even facing His own brutal death: Matthew 20:17,18 , Mark 10:32,33,34 do you think HE knew He was the Lamb,: Luke 2:38, Luke 18:31, that was going to be slain for Passover? That's why HE told them, as HE obediently set his face to go? Luke 9:51,

    Matthew 21

    Micah 6:6-8,

    John 4:21-24, 2Corinthians 6:2, 2Colossains 2:16,17, Hebrews 10:1-19, Matthew 18:20,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Carol,

    The Passover lamb, the Lamb of God, there stood a lamb as it had been slain, one perfect sacrifice worthy to open the book. The one who redeemed us to God, one sacrifice for sins forever, Hebrews 10:5-12. As the people in this site, redeemed out of every kindred, every tongue, every people, and every nation.

    There is another lamb sacrifice we do not think of that was going on the same time our savior was hanging and suffering on that cross. It is the Tamid a continual offering that the fire never went out, day or night our thoughts to be on God. Exodus 29:38-42, Leviticus 6:1-6 the first and the last.

    The morning and evening sacrifice. Jesus and his apostles after the last supper went into the garden of Gethsemane and there Jesus was taken to Annas and then Caiaphas and then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him. At the same time this was going on the priest tied the Tamid lamb to the altar and inspected it to make sure there were no blemishes.

    Jesus was placed on the cross the third hour, 9 AM same time the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and placed on the alter, the first hour of prayer. All the sacrifices of the people will be placed on top of the first Tamid lamb.

    The 6th hour around noon the second Tamid lamb was brought out and inspected for any blemishes and darkness fell on all the land until the 9th hour around 3 PM. The second hour of prayer the time the second Tamid lamb was sacrificed and placed on top of all the sacrifices, the same time Jesus said it is finished and he bowed his head and gave up the ghost.

    Jesus was sacrificed once for all sin, "we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". Jesus is the first and the last, the sacrifice that is continual forever. Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices, not just down to the day, but to the very hour itself. His blood as the lamb's blood in Egypt did, will spare us from the second death.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Yes, according to the Bible. It also depends on one's definition of "saved" and when this event occurs. Are people saved while still on earth instantly after they say their first prayer, at some point later, or are they saved after they are judged by God Himself? What does the Bible say...

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race" (not the race was already won.)

    2 Peter 3:17

    Luke 8:5-18

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Hebrews 3:12

    Galatians 5:4

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    1 Corinthians 4:5

    2 Corinthians 5:10 whether "good or bad". People are sorted at this time.

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    OSAS believers: "Ok, but a Christian would never do that."

    Christians no longer have freewill to sin?" Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

    "OSAS: But no one has ever done that."

    Sadly, many Christians fall away. Look at "ex-Christian" on Reddit with 107,000 members. Very prominent pastors have denounced faith and later denied Jesus is Lord.

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Romans 11

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 12:31-32

    Romans 14:12

    God bless and pray for wisdom and truth.
  • Doug - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear GiGi, please read the reply I made to Giannis and ponder what I am saying. We will not reach "sinless perfection" by the methods of man. We have to be careful of people that say they can lead us to sinlessness and perfection by their methods. Even though the Bible don't address "sinless perfection" together it does address both. It seems a contradiction to me your quote the longer and deeper we follow our Saviour, Jesus Christ, the more acute is our awareness of our own sinfulness and the many ways we sin each day. We should belief the goal of the Bible and Jesus is to take away sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness and be like him. Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: I believe this righteousness is imputed not imaginary. 1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." Your statement and belief seems to me like one is living under the old law and maybe even worse. They had a remembrance of sins yearly and you have a remembrance of sins daily. Hebrews 10: 1-4 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. My encouragement is to read carefully, examine your motives and ask yourself if your truly desire to leave the things you feel guilty about each day. Read the context of Jesus parable about the unjust judge and widow. He poses the question if he will find faith when he returns. Lets believe his word.


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