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'And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of theLord'(v.6)
This led the Lord to chastise them. 'And the anger of theLordwas hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines, and into the hands of the children of Ammon(v.7). God having overlooked their erring way warns them: 'Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more(v.13). The Lord however cannot deny His divine nature. When they sought Him earnestly we read in vv.15-16 that his soul was grieved for the misery of Israel. 'Deliver us only, we pray thee, this day./And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served theLord: and his soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.
He grieved for Israel in a manner of speaking brought to His mind his Son 'slain before the foundation of the world.' We shall examine the role of soul.
Jesus the Lover of my Soul (1 Sa.20:17)
The Spirit speaks of the soul of God grieving for Israel, which recalls the manner Jonathan grieved for David because of his Father. "For he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame(1 Sa.20:34)." The Spirit uses the number tag 3 to refer the Son, The mystery of the three arrows explains the nature of Love in the FatherSon relationship. It goes beyond what body of a carnal man (as in the case of Israel) is capable of. The love God correspondingly had for the world, explains it in the verse . John 3:16 "But the lad knew not any thing: only Jonathan and David knew the matter(1 Sa.20:39)".While we speak of the number 3 let us consider the significance of Thirty (3x10) in these verses, vv.3-4
"And after him arose Jair, a Gileadite, and judged Israel twenty and two years./ And he had thirty sons that rode on thirty ass colts, and they had thirty cities, which are called Havothjair unto this day, which are in the land of Gilead. Thirty ass colts invite us to set him in frame of reference with the Son who rode to the city of David.
Frankie,
You sent me some verses with questions for me to answer. You asked, "1 John 3:2-3, does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure?"
This is not talking about our walk here on this earth. As long as we are in this body of flesh, we can never be pure as Jesus was pure. 1 John 3:2 is the confirmation of the future. When the Lord comes, He's going to be in a different dimension. He will be functioning in the Spirit dimension, that dimension we cannot see.
When the Lord calls us up, and Paul mentions this in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, he says I want to show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Our physical body is changed into a spiritual body. We will be in the same dimension, and we will see Jesus just as He is. That's the hope of the believer. It keeps us going.
You ask, "1 John 3:4-5, how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all.
The answer to that is given in 1 John 3:9. You might believe we do not or cannot sin in the least because of these verses, but that's not the case. A believer will still sin. But a believer can no longer live a lifestyle of habitual sin. In other words, a believe can no longer practice sin. That is the literal meaning of 1 John 3:9.
(Part 1 of 4):
I would like to start back with my original post on Romans 8:9 which says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you."
What part of my original post are you disagreeing with?
Frankie, I am still concerned for your spiritual welfare since you yourself stated that you have not yet been born again. If this is the case, then you are still in the flesh and still living in your sin since the Spirit of God does not yet dwell in you. God forbid, but if you were to die in this state (void of God's Spirit), not being born again, what do you suppose would be your fate? Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3, "Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
You referred to 1 John 3:9, which reads, ""Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Your understanding of this is different than mine. I say that a born-again believer will still sin, but you seem to disagree. Even if it were true that a born-again believer does not sin, or cannot sin, where does that leave you if you are not born-again?
John 3:15 "That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 6:47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting life."
John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that BELIEVETH in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Thank you again for your time and patience to respond to a question that seems obvious to the experienced Christians. I am nothing but a mere child in the faith and so my understanding is somewhat limited and have a little catching up to do. Thanks and may God bless you and peace to you in Jesus name
Again, I go back to 1 John 3:9 and I share with you the literal translation:
Whosoever has been born of God DOES NOT PRACTICE sin; for God's seed remains (or abides) in him: and he CANNOT PRACTICE SIN, that is, he does not have the capacity to practice sin because he has been born of God.
This is not saying that a person who has been born of God will never sin. And this is in no way telling us that we are sinless as Jesus was.
Let me ask you:
Do you consider yourself a sinner?
Are you pure the same as Jesus was pure?
Are you walking without sin the same as Jesus walked?
Now, if I may quote you, you said, "If one is born again & is a new creature in Christ Hebrews 10:10,28,29 sanctified once & for all,{past tense} Col 1:22 & then sin, would that not plunges us back into the condition of Adam's' transgression?"
A few days ago in one of your posts, you told someone that you have not yet been born again, so how would you answer this?
If you are not yet born again (as you say), then you are still living in your sin, and until you surrender your life to Christ, and are born from above, you will die in your sin.
I only say this out of concern for your spiritual welfare since you yourself said you have not yet been born again.
Holy Spirt states 1John 2:1 children do not sin, & if you do. Indicating their state
Then in 1John 2:12-14 Holy Spirit distinguishes the maturity of the believers, as children who sins are forgiven for His name sake, the young men who have overcome the wicked one & the fathers that have known Him from the beginning, each according to the measure of the Spirit they received in their growth in Christ.
1Pet 5:1 Peter here makes a distinction, in exhorting the elders that are among them
1John 2:6
Your wrong it does imply this, as plenty of Scriptures confirms this.
Rom 8:29, conformed to the image of His Son,
1John 3:3 pure as He is pure
Gal 2:20 not I but Christ lives in me, only the pure in heart see & experience this on the spiritual level Paul is speaking from here.
we think, talk & walk as He did. 1Cor 2:16 we have the mind of Christ. Philippians 2:5
2Pet 1:3 freely has given us all things,
Luke 10:19 He's not talking about physically hurt here, as the Scriptures give witness too.
Luke 12:5 & that fear is to depart from evil, sin along can hurt us.
Col 3:10 Ephesians 4:23,24 the renewing of our minds in the knowledge after the image of Him that created him,
"the new man", is the work of Sanctification of the Spirit, bringing us into ever increasing measures of growth to maturity in Christ, the divine nature, fruits of the Spirit & ultimately being born again of the Incorruptible Seed,
your comparisons paragraph
you end with "how are you going to walk differently? You answered your own question
quoting you "I DON'T always in the human perfectly follow" one's not abiding in the Vine & according to this Scriptural statement, one has transgress against the Light, which the Spirit declares in the contest of these Scriptures is that one is still a child, for the young men have overcome the wicked one & the fathers have likewise.
Last par; Yes, this is the heart of the Father in sending His Son, Christ being the first born among many brethern
Hope that all of GOD's people be ready, for there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, and except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. As is written, GOD will finish the work(in this current time), and cut it short in Righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth, as prophesied Paul Apostle- Romans 9:28. Be careful and get ready
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
Get ready, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?
John 3:34-37KJV
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him. ---> (Terrible, very terrible, as Isaiah prophesied: "The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?- Isaiah 33:14
The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?
Lets look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them. 1Cor 2:13
1John 2:1,2 He calls them little children, because they're still sinning, then commands them to sin not & if they do in the progresses work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus in their conformity to Christ, they have an Advocate with the Father. He then leads the children ever so gently 1John 2:3-6 distinguishing how to know if we know Him, who is True & its by those who "Keep His commandments" & those who do not is a liar & to those who do Keep His commandments, in them verily is the love of God perfected in them, "to walk even as He walk" that would be without sin!
1John 3:2,3 does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure
1John 3:4,5 how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all
1John 5:18 What does this implies, except that they don't sin.
Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice
Rom 6:12-15 if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him.
Jesse,
Adam was created in God image & likeness, sinless, this we all acknowledge
When he sinned, he became a degenerative plant & God cast him out of His Presence. Look at what appears to be just a small thing in our human thoughts, "partaking of the forbidden fruit". "disobedience to God's commandment" Which has brought all the misery that humanity has experience since then to this day.
If one is born again & is a new creature in Christ Hebrews 10:10,28,29 sanctified once & for all,{past tense}
Col 1:22 & then sin, would that not plunges us back into the condition of Adam's' transgression?
In the Spirit of these Scriptures,
I tell you that he that is born again does not sin & he that is born again does not practice sin means the same thing.
a answer on Rom 8:9 will be forth coming.
I sense you are leading me in a different direction here. If I say that I have the Spirit of Christ living in me, and I stop there, I suppose you might ask me if I ever sin? If I say yes, I do sin, will you say that I am not born again?
The scripture you are sharing with (1 John 3:9) reads, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Please allow me to share my understanding of this verse. First of all, the King James translators could have done a better job in their translation of the Greek text. There are some English translations that properly use the word practice, which is what the Greek text reads.
The way the KJV translators wrote it, one might conclude that a person who is born of God does not sin at all. This is not true. A believer will still occasionally commit single acts of sin. However, a believer no longer practices sin. When I say believer, I am speaking of one who has been born of Gods Spirit.
Many of our English translations of 1 John 3:9 have caused a lot of confusion in the church, mainly by leaving this one word (practice) out of the text. According to the Greek, it should read, "Whosoever has been born of God DOES NOT PRACTICE sin; for God's seed remains (or abides) in him: and he CANNOT PRACTICE SIN, that is, he does not have the capacity to practice sin because he has been born of God. There is a huge difference in saying "does not sin," vs "does not practice sin."
So, to answer your question, I will tell you yes, I do have the Spirit of Christ. I am not completely free from sin, but I no longer practice sin as a lifestyle as I did before being born of Gods Spirit. If I do sin, that does not mean that I am not born again. But once I'm born of the Spirit of God, I no longer have the capacity to continue to satisfy a lifestyle of sin. It is impossible!
If I may ask, are you in disagreement on what I shared on Romans 8:9?
Revelation 12:1 - 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN became black as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth( Revelation 12:3-4), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (The TAIL of the red dragon rew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth):
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men- 2Peter 3:7).
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium); and who shall be able to stand?
John 3:34-36
34 - He whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him.
Get ready
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
God bless,
RLW
Born Of God.
By: Robert A. Searles
"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3.
"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again." John 3: 5, 6, 7.
My friend, if you cannot fully appreciate the word of God, believe its' promises, and perceive with your heart and mind all the glories, joys, and happiness of the kingdom of God; if you cannot enjoy the fellowship with God in a parent - child relationship, and experience the sense of justification and forgiveness of sins past, present, and future, perhaps it is because you have never truly been "born again" into the family of God. When Adam and Eve our first earthly parents disobeyed God at the very beginning of creation, they sold their birthright to Satan, and since then every human being that has ever been born has inherited the sin nature, and comes into the world already estranged from God. So, when we are born, we are born in the flesh only. Our spiritual life does not begin at the time of our physical birth.
Although God is the creator of all, he is not the father of all until his child has been conceived and born. God is spirit, he must be worshiped in spirit, and to become a child of God, we must be born in the spirit.
"The natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2: 14.
In order to be born into the family of God, it is totally a work of God's grace. We must be drawn by God to hear and accept the word of God as absolute truth, and by faith believe, as it says that - "All scripture is given by inspiration of God", and that "holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy ghost."
Lets look at what John says
In the context of what I previously wrote to you,
1John 1:4 1John 2:3 they're learning to know Him & are experiencing a measure of His joy & he encourages them to continue, that their joy made be full as they grow toward being born again of the of the Spirit by the Incorruptible Seed---unbeliever doesn't know this
1John 1:7 an unbeliever does not walk in the Light
1John 2:1 He calls them his little children, new converts
Would he call unbelievers, his little children?
1John 2:7 he calls them his brethren
1John 2:8 because the darkness is pass & the true Light now shines "past tense" they're believers working out their salvation
1John 2:12 calling them little children again, their past sins having been forgiven
1John 2:13 describing the progressional work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience, from children, to young men, to fathers
1John 2:21 but because you know it, they're believers
1John 2:27 they have received the Anointing, must be believers,
1John 3:1-3 revealing again God's love to His own, they have this hope in the working out of the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirt unto the new creature ,to be pure, even as He is pure
Dan; the whole epistle is full of this, you mention unbelievers needs to be cleanse, yes, but so does new believers as they grow in Grace, learning to pick up the cross & deny self & learn, know & put on Christ.
once we come to be believers in the Light, then the work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience begins, for example;
Just look at our own lives, we both believe & as we continue to walk in the Light, learning Him in which in this learning of Him we fall many times, yet we continue, step by step He cleanses us, eventually overcoming all sin, thoroughly purge, & are baptize by Christ, become dead unto sin, the born again experience. This is what John is revealing to His little children.
An unbeliever does not know this,
Hope this clears the mist
Friends, don't turn away from the Lord; Hebrews 12:29
who in His tender love trys our faith, whether it be birth & grounded in the doctrines of Christ.
True faith is birth of the Spirit & purifies the heart 1John 3:3 Psalms 24:3,4 Matt 5:8
If we are experiencing tribulations as define:
properly a pressing, pressing together, pressure within ,then our Refiner has come near us & we're in the fire being refined of false doctrines, sin or for whatsoever else He purposes are, for even after we are born again of His Spirit, tribulation & suffering continues in the perfecting of our faith, though now for a different purposes.
we're experiencing Psalms 89:14
Again, don't turn away from Christ, for He has come nearer to us, to purge out the dross
Love the Fire, its separates the precious from the vile, let us not hide our head in the darkness of an hole, like an ostrich & say i don't want to talk about it.
I hope you notice I said, we, us, our, Friends we all begin as miserable sinners, but we don't have to remain sinners.
Col 1:21,22 lets press towards the high calling in Christ Jesus
in love & truth
He is not speaking to believers here in 1John:8 he is speaking to unbelievers! He is hoping to gain new converts to fellowship with as you will see if you read the proceeding verses like 1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
Read on my friend. As believers we should be already be walking in truth 1 John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1 John 2:6
"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
1 John 3:6
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
As Christians we should stop telling ourselves and others that we can never stop sinning. This is a defeatist attitude and comes not from Jesus or God. In many places Jesus tells us nothing is impossible if we have Faith!
Read and Believe
You took notice for a reason, all glory to God and His Holy Spirit. Christians have a bad addiction to sin! Just like any other addiction, if we don't acknowledge it and get help, we won't change, we will live in this condition until we die. If we remain a sinner, we will die as a sinner, and we will go to hell as promised in the scriptures.
In scripture below, Jesus promises the invalid that he previously healed that he should "sin no more" or something worse will happen to him!
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
If those who continue to tell themselves and others that we can't stop sinning, it's just like going up to that invalid that Jesus warned to "sin no more" now we would be telling him: hey we are all sinners, and none of us can ever really stop sinning. You would be stating the exact opposite of what Jesus/God just told the invalid not to do! Do you think God would approve of you telling the invalid that they can't stop sinning?
If we are saying we can't stop sinning, and telling others that they can't stop sinning, we should ask ourselves: Where is this belief/mindset that we can never stop sinning coming from? We know it isn't coming from God. 1John 3:8
I've learned the hard way it's best to not be in conflict with God or His Spirit. If he really loves us, if we sin - He can make us suffer in ways that can get our attention! If he doesn't see we are sincere about sin, a he can take our life, and soul, and put us in hell. I fear God, as we all should, and I offer this to you to help you. Better to say it's hard to stop sinning, but not impossible. God tells us all things are possible if you have faith as a mustard seed Matt 17:20 With God nothing is impossible for us!
Read and Believe
Riches I heed not, nor man's empty praise,
Thou mine inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of heaven, my treasure Thou art.
2 concepts are indicated in these lyrics. First; praise isn't always accepted by God and second riches of this world often are treasured above the Lord. Both of these points are an issue when it comes to the Contemporary Christian music industry; in particular.
Lucifer according to Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 was anointed as a Cherubim with musical giftings built into him. He chose glory for himself; therefore lost his place in heaven and consequently; can only use his talents for evil purposes today. It is hard to conceive that those who have written scripturally sound lyrics in the past could abandon the Lord; but mind boggling to see those who have continued to confess Christ but accept all the ideologies contrary to scripture. This is certainly reminiscent of the type of people you would expect in the last days Laodicean type church. The kind of God which is worshipped in this case is one sided toward love and acceptance and doesn't look at repentance seriously. God loved us enough to send His Son ( John 3:16) but when the Son had our sins placed on Him the Father had to look away. ( Matthew 27:46; Habakkuk 1:13).
There are exceptions; of course of artists whose lives truly reflect the proper doctrines; and show the proper behavior as a humble servant. This often at the very least means turning down more lucrative offers that cause compromise and starting your own music label. Many start in local churches then end up getting sucked into the greed of worldly desires for success and any new musician should have regular discipling and close association with a local church; preferably as a member. We should pray also for those who are gifted musically in secular circles that they will turn to Christ and witness to them when opportunities arise.
The overriding scriptural message is asking us to Repent. I question whether many Christians today really understand what repent means.
Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Romans 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."
Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
Meaning of the word Repent.
Verb:
1: to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
2: to feel regret or contrition
b: to change one's mind
transitive verb
1: to cause to feel regret or contrition
2: to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for
I continue to hear Christians on this site, and elsewhere telling themselves and everyone else that they will always sin. They have accepted that as long as they live, they will always be sinners. This thinking/mindset comes directly from satan, who else would encourage you to think this way, which is totally against scripture.
Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
1 John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
Living in sin - does not meet the expectation of God for us to REPENT!
Living in sin yourself is one thing, telling others that they can never stop sinning is another. Thinking like this and speaking like this is not very encouraging to yourself, or others. Something to think about.
Happy Sabbath Day
Enoch
He walked with God, meaning in the presence of God, so he was aware of the will of God and its fulfillment. The significance of the name of his son attests to it. It is the power of the Word and it allowed him to prophecy of the end times." Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones."(Jude v.14-NIV)" The number Seven is indicative of his life span was in accordance with the word of God. Sixty-five years before Methuselah. Three hundred years with God (3x100) points his translation without seeing death was fulfillment of the word, "And whoever lives by believing in me will never die."( John 11:26). We are setting his life in context of the word forever settled in heavens.(Ps.119:89)
Methusaleh
The Spirit places him as a double for the Son, being the seventh in descent from Seth who stepped in the breach of Abel who is the first martyr for being righteous. (1 John 3:12) Seven as command number indicates perfection of the divine Will. He is the only son in an age when a large family was the norm, foreshadowing 'the only begotten Son' who would be sent to the world. The holy family of Seth survives judgement of the old world through his grandson Noah. His personal name, meaning man of the dart, points to the river of time that Salvation Plan of God connects from beginning of the age to its ending
Lamech
The Spirit includes two of the same name in order to present representations of godless descendants of Cain and of the holy family beginning from Seth. Lamech the fifth in descent from Cain was boastful and who feared neither God nor man. "If Cain is avenged seven times then Lamech, seventy-seven times.' (Ge.4:27). Famous last words. On the other hand Lamech seventh in descent from Seth is a locus classic as to the 'in the image of man'. Thus Methusaleh is set as the double for the Son. The remaining sons and daughters are left out.
"Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord."
It is significant that Adam names Eve only after their fall. Nevertheless God had blessed them even before they were formed, As Cain the firstborn he ought to have carried as the heir of promise. He proved by his deeds that he was unfit. "If thou does well will not thou be accepted" does not change since God cannot deny his holiness.
Eve under curse and as the mother of all living bares Cain who is the head of a family and his genealogy reveals they went into arts and crafts. Also significant is the fact she bares a godly child who is called Abel who is qualified in the book of life as the righteous one.(1 John 3:12) From vv.18-24 we have a list of names, which is typical of artisans whose mastery is essential for burnishing the gloss of urban life to a sheen. Notwithstanding not all were city dwellers as Cain was. "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." (v.20).
Then there were Jubal ("He was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ,"v.21) and Tubalcain ( an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron"-v.22). God set Adam to keep the ground, meaning that God chose his tasks while Cain's progeny as mentioned here above chose their careers to prosper in their new environment. Henceforth the city would shape them so their families would have altogether livelihood of their choice, which meant they would set before them new priorities entirely different than Adam had. At the end of this chapter we read this verse,"Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord." Father Mendel did not tell anything new with his experiment with peas and we have how God works with His creation. The two worlds set in Adam carried 'bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh' and it showed up in Abel and later in Seth. This would set a holy family which shall be gathered for the Millennial Reign.
Part one
Thank you for your caring and concerned reply, many are not in agreement with understanding this subject, and as long as we address it with caring and love to not let it divide us. All I can do is give the understanding I have received from my prayer and study with an open heart.
John 8:34 The Greek word poie translated as committeth means continuing the actions of sin, being the servant of sin. They were not willing to accept Jesus as their Messiah and come in repentance, not that they would not sin. 1 John 3:6-10 As long as we abide in Him we are in a relationship walking in the light.
Does this mean we will not sin? No, if we are abiding in Him, we are living a repentant life and in obedience, not a slave to sin but a slave to Christ. In verse 8 we have that Greek word poie we are not practicing and continuing in sin not in repentance. Same in verse 9 poieo commit, the children of God are manifest, they are being known by following and being obedient.
Gal. 5-9 we have had 2000 years of leaven that we can see everywhere the whole lump is almost bloated. Rom 6:1,2,6,14,15,16,18,22 These are about not to continue in sin, sinning without thought or repentance. When we accept Jesus and are baptized, we are justified and made righteous no longer a servant to sin.
Does that mean we never sin again, No, we are dead and free from sin as long as we are obedient Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. We must remain faithful and obedient, if not we will be responsible and have to pay for our sins. Rom. 8:2 as long as we abide in Jesus, we have life and are free from the penalty of death the strength of sin is the law. Hebrews 10:10,14,17,18,26,29,39 My understanding of this chapter is written to those of the house of Israel that some who had become a Christian were falling back to the old law.
See part two,
Dear Ronald
How would you explain away these Scriptures?
John 8:34 1John 3:6-10 Gal 5:9 Rom 6:1,2,6,14,15,16,18,22 Rom 8:2 Hebrews 10:10,14,17,18,26,29,39
there's much more I could bring here in opposition of your thesis of continuing in unbelief & sin for life term,
by the Grace of God I shall.
Matt 3:11,12
not John's, but of Christ spoken of in Rom 6, being dead unto sin,,,which is being born again of the Incorruptible Seed, were one becomes a new creature, old things are pass away "sinful nature has been crucified on the cross of self denial" we having awaken unto Righteousness, all things become new & we sin not because His Seed remains within us. for those Rom 8:14 the Spirit of God will never, never lead us into sin, thus opening more fully the Law of the Spirit of Life of Christ Jesus, therefore we abide in Him & sin not, for abiding in this law sets us free from the law of sin & death.
1Peter 1:9 here & now, Remember this perfection can be added to as we grow in Grace, as Paul declares in Philippians.
According to your own statement & others like minded, you're not abiding in Him, for you are continuing to commit sin as a way of life, Which Holy Spirit says in Romans that now your under Grace, God forbid, confirming by the Spirit of the Scriptures of Truth that one is not born again, neither knows Him.
Ronald,,,,Friend---As I read your posts my heart went out to you, meaning I felt your sincerity, honesty & godly desires towards God, this is not in question here, but the knowledge you have is not the true knowledge of God, I'm speaking from my past experience,
"And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden." (v.18)
God asked Cain a direct question , "Where is Abel thy brother?" God as a Spirit was not asking a silly question with regards to his brother but rather where had he despatched his soul by doing violence to his body. Cain knew what he meant. Cain truthfully replied, "I know not." The anger and violence that Cain meted out to his sibling came from and set him in context of a land, which in the world of the flesh casts a certain light and gives every man a certain value.
The light from the sun moon and the stars provides light so day and night a man can distinguish. But is he wise for all that? Cain had no clue where he had sent Abel. Nicodemus represents his knowledge when he quizzed Jesus. John 3:10-13) The heavenly things and the earthly things denote two worlds of the Spirit and of flesh.
God allowed Moses to see the glory God which the Spirit qualifies as the back parts."and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by./And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."(Ex.33:22-23) Glory of God which one may see from the world of the body is of quality different than one may see through the light which is his Son, the true Light. (Ps.36:9). So whosoever abiding in Christ Jesus sees light as God has willed. "Be ye holy for I am holy" is doable for those who trust in him. They trust in his grace, Abel offered a better offering which pleased God. "Without faith it is impossible to please God". God formed all hearts alike, Abel pleased God by following truth. (2 Cor.4:6) This knowledge is defined as the presence of God, it is word based and it is doable.
Everything else is the land of shadows and the land of Nod is a label to denote where alternate reality is the norm.
"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.(v.7)
The Lord fashioned all hearts alike so how come Cain responded to please God was different from that of Abel? Sin made all the difference. Sin created a smokescreen so man is easier handled by the conjuror's art, smoke and mirrors which man looks at believes in a lie of course.
God from whom comes all the good gifts now onwards becomes a 'bogy' to Adam and man and woman would rather hide as made His presence 'in the cool of day'. So their fall signified there were barriers put up between them and their God. This reality was reflected in their hearts as well.
Cain presented fruit of the field, which tells us the world of the flesh weighed uppermost in his calculation. Abel on the other hand laid much in store with the world of the Spirit. All that was knowable of God was in the heart of Cain and Abel alike. God tests their works as the Psalm quote tells us.(Ps.33:15)
God's calling and gifts are irrevocable. Their hearts presented a level playing field a face as the Spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters, which is between heaven and the earth.God forbade them access to this kingdom without getting rid of sin that put up barriers between the two. It is to which God referred." If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?" Peace with God was impossible with this crouching sin at the door. Cain had certainly a problem. It was obvious that he viewed the worlds that his heart circumscribed differently than his brother who was righteous as the Spirit annotates. Cain viewed according to the carnal wisdom taught by Satan.. St John writes of Cain,' who was of that wicked one,'(1 John 3:12, 8) and contrasts his brother as righteous.
Luke 10:38-42 Mary chose the better part. Abel did better because he trusted in the promises of God.
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
The Holy Spirit began the narrative by 'now' which refers to the characteristic of serpent as created by God. So the fall of man must be seen 'in the present' as against the eternal mind of God where emblem of the slain Lamb or the brazen serpent raised on a pole ( John 3:14), which implied the death of his Son. In order to set the context of his fall the Spirit points to another emblem, which is also about the Son. I am the way, the truth and life." Jesus declared, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." ( John 14:6) So Salvation plan as determined by the Lord God was neither from the east west south or north but was Person specific. This tree of life symbolized the prince of Life.
The cherubim is often represented as fiery beings attendant upon the Lord and jealous for His holiness. The flaming sword which turned every way therefore is to be understood beyond the heaven and earth and the kingdom of God. As mentioned earlier cardinal directions as we know the term have no bearing upon the Lord God As the visible image of the invisible God in him was the fulness of the heights and of the depths.
" For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:/ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence./ For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell."( Col 1:15-19)
Very few BELIEVE what they were given by the death and resurrection of Christ.
One will never understand that gift, unless they believe what the spirit of truth is saying to them.
ALL CREATION DIED on the cross of Christ, each INDIVIDUAL DIED on the cross of Christ, ALL creation was MADE ALIVE by the RESURRECTION of Christ.
ONLY Christ was raised from the DEAD.
Men's carnal mind WILL NOT BELIEVE that.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY (eternal life) dwelling in the light.
The gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE.
1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal MUST put on IMMORTALITY (truth and life, Christ) ......
Acts 2:38 .... be BAPTISED everyone of you in the NAME of JESUS ......
WE are JOIN-HEIRS of Christ and his resurrection, we were MADE ONE, by his resurrection, ONLY Christ arose, we were BAPTISED into HIS NAME, a wife always bears the NAME of her husband.
1 John 3:8 ..... He that committeth sin is of the (seed of the) devil .......
1 John 3:9 ...he who is born of God (truth) doeth not commit sin, because HIS SEED remaineth in him, and he CANNOT SIN .....
If your sinning you have not yet DIED of the cross of Christ, DEAD men CANNOT SIN, they no longer exist, only Christ exist.
I am the beginning and the end, the first and the last, no beginning and no end.
God BLESS YOU!
You said that my posts "seem to approach literally while you have another approach to the Bible", actually my posts/messages reflect a spiritual interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, in fact the Holy Spirit is my Preceptor, Tutor as you said, but it seems you do not discern what is spiritual, it's due to lack of the gift of discernment, thus you know only and only what is literal, like the killers of souls, the letter kills, only the Spirit gives life. The believers know that the Word is Spirit, the Word is GOD, self-executing.
Having read the circumlocution of your replyes, or mere verbiage, I would say opinions is good for nothing, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? John1:1. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. Your interpretations of the Word of GOD differ not of the interpreter of Genesis 3:1. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth, the one who comes from above is above all- John 3:31.
Revelation 20:2-3 explains:
The dragon will be laid hold, and bound/chained, and cast into the bottomless pit, he will be threw into the Abyss (in this current millennium), and he will be shut up, a seal will be set on/over him in this current millennium, seventh and last millennium, that he should deceive the nations no more.
Be careful, or then get ready
As I was reading the words of God, this morning, Luke 13:24-28
Does this not speak to all who believe that there is no overcoming of sin in this present life
" they believe they ate & drink in His presence, & believed that " He taught in our streets".
Yet, the Lord plainly states; Luke 13:27
This reminds me of Matt 7:21,22
This reveals the utter deceitfulness of sin, that Satan has no lack of power to deceive 2Thess 2:9,10
He even has such power to call fire down from heaven. Rev 13:11-16 this is describing false Christianity, listen to what the Scriptures reveal, Rev 13:11 had an image like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. Teaching that one can be a Christian & know God & continue in sin for life, despite the testimony of Christ, John 8:24, 1John 3:6
Then we have Hebrews 10:26-29; the whole context of these Scriptures here is " sinning is past tense, over, done away with."
They pray, but they regard; Psalms 66:18; in light of the above Scriptures, who do you thing is answering their prayers?
Again, all power in all deceitfulness of unrighteousness, ,,,sin ! 2Timothy 3:5 Rev 18:4
Luke 11:33-36 the whole body be full of Light, "Christ" having no dark part, no darkness at all" Revealing "Consummation of Sanctification of the Spirit, obedience unto righteousness unto holiness, partaker's of the Divine Nature.
It also reveals, If one continue in sin for life, then it obvious that there's darkness within & Matt 6:23
Folks, I speak as one concern, I found that in life motions one can be caught up in doing this or that, the swiftness in which life is pasting by, & the world continually drawing us to it concerns, one doesn't stop & truly consider what Holy Spirit plainly states in the Scriptures or why they have not experience it,
Churches are teaching contrary to Scriptures, all are singing a lullaby; cause everybody else is doing it, some more some less, status quo, so it must be true? NOT ! 1Thessalonians 4:7
1Cor 15:34
in Love & Truth.
45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.
Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.
The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.
According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.