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Hello Mark, congratulations on such a remarkable name!

Knowing the gospel truths, I am convinced would take more than a life time! If however these truths are lived in, we will say in the end, it is nothing less than the love of Gods word towards man!

Thank you for your earnest honor in the knowledge of these things that can only come from heaven!

In Christ, Fred

Sally Quinn,

Great you're reading the Bible! Romans 10:17, 2Timothy 2:15,

James 1:5,

Genesis 1:26,27, compare to; John 1:1-4, Job 38,

One GOD: 1Timothy 2:5, Galatians 3:20,

Food in Heaven = Psalms 78:24,25, Revelation 22:2, Luke 22:16, Matthew 26:29, Revelation 19:9, Luke 14:16-24,

Hopefully these are helpful

Good to know you Mark, Praise God !

I mark joseph mcdonald have taken many years too read this book word by word sentence by sentence paragraph by paragraph and have not added to the words or taken away from the words or prohpecies of this book from beginning too the end. i started with the very opening statments and have done so with all my heart with all my spirit that father god our great creator has given my soul with his word too do. i believe with all my heart mind body soul love and life and strength that jesus christ is truly the son of god he came from father god of heaven too teach us all and too show us all a better way too live and too love one another through his father and from the word of life through our lord jesus christ forever and forever amen.

Lies & deceit : Leviticus 19:11, Psalms 5:6, Psalms 55:23, Psalms 58:3, Psalms 63:11, Psalms 101:7, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 19:5,9, Jeremiah 9:3-9, Isaiah 59, Micah 6, Colossians 3:9, Revelation 21, Revelation 22:15,

Relevant today : Ezekiel 13:22,23

Acts 5:1-10 in context Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5,

Wisdom about : Proverbs 14:5-25, Proverbs 29:12, John 8:42-44 in context John 8,

Psalms 40:4, Isaiah 63:8, Zephaniah 3:13,

Sorcery : 1Samuel 15:23, 2Chronicles 33:6, Galatians 5:19-21, Isaiah 47:9-15, Isaiah 57:3-21, Malachi 3:5, Acts 8:9-24, Acts 13:6-8, Revelation 9:20,21, Revelation 18:23,24, Revelation 21:7,8, Revelation 22:12-15, read all in context

I guess it can be described as simple opposition to GOD, "rebellion is as witchcraft " leading into much worse.

Hopefully these are helpful

Concluding thoughts continued in Rev. 22

Therefore; many may be genuinely shocked when the Lord says that He never knew them and they ask for entrance into heaven. ( Matt. 7:21). Sadly; many never will know the depths of their own depravity until they enter hell; surely then they will know how helpless they are; although there will be no love and appreciation for a Holy God. The biggest message I can see here is that we must in this life be saved; as well as love God. Mankind in his natural state can fear God but cannot love Him; nor Christ who the Father sent to die in our place. All believers are called to share in the sufferings of Christ; and to bear their own cross daily. ( Romans 8:17; Matt. 16:24). Only believers can understand being part of the Body of Christ and fellowship of the saints. ( 1 John 1:3 and many other passages). We must die to ourselves daily ( Galatians 2:20). This involves selfless acts; but also has to have a heart change ( Ezekiel 36:26). To be drawn to the light is the state of those who He has called to be His children and chosen ( John 3:21).

As my last commentary stated; we are not to worry about whether we are elected by God; at least as some curiousity or intellectual concept. Our responsibility is ultimately ours to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5). His Spirit communes with our spirit to show us if we are of God ( Romans 8:16).

Verses 18 through 19 reminds us of the seriousness of God's Word. No other religions or other writings that change the Word of God or create another method of salvation; another Christ etc. are to be tolerated (See Galatians 1:8). Such a reverent fear of God's Word today is sorely lacking. Many probably don't believe these things are really going to be this bad; sadly a former Pastor of mine used to have these thoughts when reading the Book of Isaiah. If the rich man in hell is any example; no one there will be grateful for our lackluster witness here now.

Revelation 22 concluding thoughts

Once more in verses 11 and 15 we see how the state of a person remains for all eternity; either in Christ and entirely dead to the old self and in heaven; or else remaining in a sinful state no doubt punished for the specific severity depending on what types of sins are being judged.

There is no room for lingering on any aspects of this life; as heaven will be paved with gold. There is truly joy to service which those not in Christ cannot comprehend. It will no doubt be fellowship of the saints that moves beyond male/female and all barriers that the cares of this life tend to separate us from now.

The focus of verse 18 and 19 are what I would like to focus this study on. The first verse warns of anyone adding to the prophecy that God will add the plagues in this book. Since that involves anything in the seal; trumpet or vial judgments it may allow for some hope of repentance. The next verse; however indicates a name being removed from the book of life for those who take something out of it. This is the only verse in the Bible warning of direct response of taking someone out of the book of life. ( Exodus 32:33). The earlier verse in Revelation 3:5 shows someone NOT taken out of the book.

Personally; I would tend to think this would refer to the book of all the living on earth who; when lost are not able to retain it and thus enter the book of life in the first place. Therefore they die the second death. This would mean; of course that potentially everyone can come to Christ and it sort of decimates the idea of the doctrine of election. Frankly I had never paid much attention to this verse before. Furthermore the specific actions of meddling with God's Word is a specific way such an individual reveals their turning from whatever their conscience dictates to a delusion (see Romans 1; Psalm 19). However you slice it no one who messes with God's Word should be surprised by His judgments.

The first few verses describe as chapter 18 did the destruction of the city of Babylon "the great whore" (v. 2). Verse 7 talks about the marriage of the Lamb; with the wedding supper in verse 9. The scene in front of the throne here as well as the timing seem almost identical to what we see in Revelation 5. We need to keep in mind that not everyone will be present wearing the garments of white until the last saint appears in heaven; so this likely shows the Resurrection of all the Tribulation saints along with the church who were raised 7 years before. This brings in mind the parable of the Ten Virgins and associated verses as to the reference both to the Second Coming and Rapture. We need to remember that Israel itself isn't as a nation going to repent until the final destruction on Israel where half of the city is taken in Zechariah 14:2. Just because the Tribulation saints aren't in the dispensation of the church where the Spirit works within the Body as at present; that doesn't exclude the rest of the believers from being members of a corporate Body who all need white garments of righteousness. (Verse 8). All true saints; therefore must bring forth fruit. God may deem martyrdom necessary to procure that; particularly in the days when Christ will be known to all and seen by the world (once again; indicated by the scene in Rev. 6:16-17. John 20:26-29 shows those who have NOT seen are blessed; and the Rapture certainly would be a reward in that sense.

Verse 10 also brings up a theme repeated in Revelation 22:9 where he tries to worship someone other than God (in the other case an angel). This should cause us to take pause to realize that the glorified bodies of the saints will be quite overwhelming.

The rest of the chapter; of course relates to the Second Coming of Christ and the immediate victory He has over the armies of the earth. More on that in the next post.

Usually I believe the Believe states when it's wrong & when it's worship.

Exodus 34:14, Matthew 4:10, John 4:23,24,

Daniel 8:17,18, Daniel 10:9, Daniel 10:15-19,

Wrongly : 1Kings 12:30, Acts 18:13, Revelation 19:10, Revelation 22:8,9,

Hopefully these are helpful

1Samuel 15:23, 2Chronicles 33:6-11, Galatians 5:16-24,

Isaiah 47:9-15, Malachi 3:5, Acts 8:9-24, Revelation 9:20,21, in context Revelation 9:15-21, Revelation 18:23, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 22:15, in Context Revelation 22,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these help

Being disrespectful IS walking in Gods love? Whatever lol !

Thank you! "With all due respect" tops the list of rude phrases

Are you really showing respect when you say "With all due respect?" That phrase topped the list of rude phrases and words. Why it is disrespectful? What invariable follows that phrase is a negative attack.

It is rare when a positive statement is made following "With all due respect." As a result, when this phrase is used, the other party becomes immediately defensive and irritated.

A vicious attack-defense spiral has been initiated that is difficult to break though. It you want to disagree, first acknowledge what the other party has said, make sure you have clarification and then state why you disagree. Using "With all due respect" draws the conversation away from a goal of reaching agreement because the emotions get in the way of problem solving.

Thank you Henry, and Jessie!

Luke. With all due respect before Revelation begins which is the judgement

Of Jesus Christ or wrath against all unbelief of which the Church Epistles state

That we who are born again are saved from because we are God's Sons and Daughters in Christ and our sins are paid for so Christ will come for His Church

First. Also In defence of the truth for someone to state that another brother is

Being Influenced by Satan or controlled mentally is extremely out of walking in God's Love and not judging correctly spiritually. Our first priority is to walk in

Agapeo renewed mind love also according to Corinthians 13:5 The love of God

Thinketh no evil just because someone doesn't agree with what you see biblically

Doesn't make them spiritually screwed up, we who believe fight for each other

Not against.

It's your ship, you're the captain, sail on brother, you say you did read my breakdown, and you still poked the bear? Why is it you can express your opinion, but take issue when I express mine, knowing that I disagree, you didn't want to have a discussion then, but you want to poke now?

That Is my opinion, The Rapture doctrine is a soul hunt designed to steal souls, it doesn't matter if you got Christ in you now, when a person worships the devil he dies a spiritual death, he is no longer a Christian, he's a devil worshiper,,, you aint the first person I've had the discussion with, and you wont be the last,,,

Jessie

You're the one taking issue, I disagreed, then gave my opinion on the rapture,,,simmer down.

Luke,

You say that I "have been conditioned/programmed into worshiping Satan when he arrives on the scene?" That would be impossible since I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I am under the influence and persuasion of God's Spirit. Satan no longer has control over me. Please let me respectfully say that I am perfectly fine with you disagreeing with me. Really, I am. If you do not believe in a rapture, I have no issue with you. I do believe in the rapture so why would you have an issue with me for believing in the rapture? I guess we will just have to remain in disagreement. I respect your belief, and you should respect mine. And by the way, I did read your "breakdown" of 1 Thessalonians 4:14. All I can say in response to your breakdown is that I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong!

Jessie

I Emphatically disagree with you,,, had you read my "For what it's worth" post, or replied to it, you could have learned something.

So to be clear, "with all due respect" The Rapture is a soul hunt, you are helping to program people into believing Christ comes first when He does NOT,,, you have been conditioned/programmed into worshiping Satan when he arrives on the scene FIRST with this Rapture doctrine, Had you read my breakdown of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You guy's are doing exactly what Paul said NOT to do in His 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, Sir

Jesse the Kingdom of God is gonna be with in us....Not up in the clouds...Rev.11:15 The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our LORD and his Christ and he will reign for ever and ever...Right here on this earth....As Jesus said the Kingdom of God is gonna be with in you...Not here or there but with in you...If we were caught up in the air it wd expose womans nakedness...And God does not want that....And the manchild will rule all nations right here on this earth...As Jesus said thy kingdom come thy will be done on EARTH as it is in heaven...We don't need to go any where....The Kingdom is coming to earth...via the seed of the sower sown in mans hearts.

Remember Jesus said the Kingdom of God will come as a man who sows seed in his field....Then he tells us our hearts are the Field where that good seed will be sown...John was caught up to God and to his throne....But his body was still on the isle of PATMOS....And Paul writes to some who were already sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus....You are come unto mt. Zion the city of the living God that heavenly Jerusalem...But their bodies had not gone anywhere....Simply b/c the Kingdom was within them...So when ya talk about some are gona be taken and some are gonna be left...Its in the spirit...As the Kingdom of God is spirit...In the air is just symbolic of in the spirit...On the day of Pentecost that mighty rushing wind was the spirit the H.G....They didn't need to go anywhere to receive it...It was a baptism of the H.G. Right here on this earth....The Promise..ok Gbu

Jesse. More of a fly to or with than by and no wings woopeee!

Luke,

With all due respect sir, "Caught up to meet Him" is not called a "fly by." It is what many believers call the rapture of the church. It will not be a bad day for those who believe in the rapture. The bad day will be for those who are left behind!

It's going to be a real bad day for those who think Christ is going to do a fly by.

Yes Indeed, the brightness of His coming will be so bright that it will blot out even the Sun AND the Stars, Praise God.

It's the (Caught up) to meet Him tis the part am referring to in which many misinterpret, it's good to see You don't, and it's good to know U, don't, Honey.

Rev 22 IS a fantastic chapter, Praise God.

Honey , don't let anyone steal your joy in the Lord , he is coming and you shall see him and be with him forever . God has made many beautiful promises to us and we shall be like him , this means you and me . I agree Revelation Ch 21 and 22 always cheer me up when this world is dragging me down . Rejoice in the Truth and in your Saviour . Nothing in this life can touch you if you keep your eyes on Him .

This part of God's word is misinterpreted,,, It's Satan who's first on the scene sweetie, Jesus comes after

This part of God's Word is where my hope lies. No matter what I go through before these things happen, I look forward to seeing my Savior come, receiving the full redemption of eternal life and being caught up to meet Him and forever be with my Lord!!! Hallelujah, Glory to His Name!!!

Hi Dere.

Salvation goes out to everyone.

John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

Revelation 22:17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let HIM THAT HEARETH say, Come. And let HIM THAT IS A THIRST come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely.

Romans 10:9-10. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, AND SHALT BELIEVE IN THINE HEART that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

No that's not true we're going to sleep until Jesus comes, when he come then we shall rise to be judge.

Hi earl.

here in revelation 22:11 it says let him holy or unjust ect...still!

earl this suggests after this lifetime and after judgment.

( he that is unjust, let him be unjust "still:" and he which is filthy, let him be filthy... "still:"... and he that is righteous, let him be righteous... "still":... and he that is holy, let him be holy "...still".)

revelation 22:14-15 verifies that!

" blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,...and may enter in through the gates into the city.....

"for without" are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

"after" this life some will remain righteousness that will enter in through the gates into the city.

and there are some who will remain unjust " the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." who will be without the city.

and revelation 21:8 tells us where they're going!

"but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

also: revelation 20:13-15 states "and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." this suggests after this life!!

daniel spoke of this in daniel 12:2 "and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

this also suggests 2 groups after this life in an everlasting condition! ( unjust still and righteous still.)

jesus makes reference to 2 groups, 2 destinations after this life in

matthew 25:41-46.

and it's everlasting not a refining fire!!

come on earl let's humble ourselves and not get in the way of this great truth.

Thanks Earl but again we disagree on all those scriptures you presented.

You asked "What does the overcomer, overcome" as if all overcome. Nowhere in scripture presents this.

We would be revisiting a pass discussion where this was put to rest using these scriptures: Revelation 20:1-15. and Revelation 22:10-11.

( The so-called refining fire you're presenting has already past back in Revelation 20:1-15. )

By the time we get to these verses we have the outcome of two groups with separate destinations.

Revelation 22:10-11

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

(Yet there still remains the unjust AFTER JUDGMENT. )

HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL:................AND HE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: AND HE THAT IS HOLY, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.

Revelation 22:14-15

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city............

FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.

Again everyone doesn't overcome. Revelation 21:7 is one group. Revelation 21:8 is another.