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That is one of the oldest questions asked concerning eternity, aside from the pre-existence of God. Both non-Christians & those claiming Christian faith have wondered about "good people consigned to Hell" & humanly speaking, we really can't believe that a Holy, Righteous God would do such a thing. But the Scriptures are clear.

What we term a 'good person' is based on our understanding of 'goodness', i.e. one well behaved, conforms to society's norms & requirements, has a careful, considered disposition, rendering help to others & not given to 'major sins'. And yet, will all that 'goodness', God still manages to find fault with him. Is God unfair or judging us too harshly? From our viewpoint, we might think so, but from God's viewpoint (& from the Word), He assesses us correctly.

If "all have sinned & come short of the glory of God (or, God's standards)" ( Romans 3:23), God takes into account that evidence of sin, however minute in substance, as that which infects & affects the whole ("a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" 1 Corinthians 5:6). Just as the addition of a little leaven (yeast) causes fermentation & expansion of dough that affects the whole bread, so to does the smallest of sins (white lies, pride, bitterness, false accusation, anger, etc.) spoils the whole person making him a sinner: he's not a person who slips up in some sin but still essentially good, but a person who because of sin is essentially bad but show traits of goodness at times. But even with all his 'goodness', can he present himself as acceptable to God? Never to a holy God.

Romans 2:11-16 explains why a person never hearing about God or the Gospel through His Son, still remains condemned. In advanced civilizations, the Law alerts a person to his errors & sins. Amongst hidden tribes, their tribal Law applies, & where that law doesn't deal with sin, man is naturally alerted in his heart to wrong doing, their conscience bearing them witness. No chance without the Gospel reaching them.

My question is how can a good God allow good people to go to hell? How is a person that grows up in a place where the gospel is not shared be held accountable and go to hell when they pass away?

Romans 1:18-26. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; HERE'S WHERE THEY IGNORED GODS GLORY IN HIS CREATION AND WORSHIPED IDOLS, AND "GOD" GAVE THEM OVER TO HOMO SEXUALITY.

(((so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things))).

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: WE SIN BECAUSE WE INHERITED ADAMS FLESHLY NATURE.

Romans 5:19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

An Apostle is a Messenger - one who is sent out by his Master. In the case of the apostles in the Bible, the chief criterion was that they had to learn under their Master & be obedient to His directions. However, Paul was an exception as he was unlike the others. But he was referred to as an apostle, having first being called by Jesus to "be a chosen vessel unto me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles & kings & the children of Israel ( Acts 9:15). And Paul often referred to himself as an apostle of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 1:1, Romans 1:1, etc.).

Hello William,

Well, it is known Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being "abominable" with homosexuality and other things I would believe. As you can read Genesis 19 where two Angels of the Lord came to save Lot and the men of the city came so they may "know" them. As he offered his two virgin daughters to them so they would do nothing to the Angels.

Also in Romans 1:25-28 it is spoken of. Hope that helps.

We're introduced to Paul (then known as Saul) from Acts 7:58 onwards. Saul, by his own claim, was a Jew & a Pharisee (a religious leader, studied in Jewish Law), from the tribe of Benjamin ( Philippians 3:5,6). He also hailed from Tarsus, Celicia in Asia Minor (now Turkey). If you're keen to see the city & you have a map of Turkey, Tarsus is located between the cities of Mersin & Adana on the South coast.

Then from Acts chapter 9, you can read of Saul's mighty encounter with the risen Jesus Christ & from that event, Saul believed on Jesus, was baptized & later he was also referred to as Paul ( Acts 13:9). We generally hear the name Paul being used from hereon.

Paul wasn't one of the 12 disciples who walked with Jesus. However, since Paul had seen the Lord, received teaching from him (from Heaven while in the deserts of Arabia: Galatians 1:17), & called by Jesus to be His apostle ( Romans 1:1), the other apostles after some initial hesitance acceptance him. And of course, we know that God used Paul mightily to preach to both the Jews & the Gentiles of His saving Grace (his mission however was primarily to the Gentiles). Paul went on several missionary journeys & established several Churches, even in his own country. How very sad though, that Turkey now has Islam as its predominant religion, when at the time of Paul, he would have "turned the world upside down" with the power of the Gospel even in his home country.

So, if you read the Book of Acts, especially from chapter 7 onwards, you'll learn more of what I've shared here. And then his letters to the Churches are filled with wisdom, that which he learned from Jesus to teach Christians on how to live the Christian life victoriously.

Most people who don't believe in God believe science holds all the answers people seek, and that people came up with the ideas of gods or God to help explain things that they didn't understand.

Also, it would be very inconvenient for them if they suddenly came to realize God is real, and that they've been doing things that are very wrong.

All their friends believe all that spiritual stuff is a stone age myth, and they wouldn't want to be the odd man out.

2Thessalonians 2:10-13

2Timothy 2:25-26

2Timothy 4:4

Romans 1:25

Yes, there are some verses like that.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-13

2 Timothy 2:25-26

2 Timothy 4:4

Romans 1:25

There are more but that's just a few examples.

"From the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" ( Mark 10:6-8, quoting Genesis 2:24).

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." ( Romans 1:26-27)

Hi Norman,

I think if Jesus came today and performed a bunch of miracles people still wouldn't believe. Perhaps even a fewer % today would believe than the % that believed in Jesus's time. We have a society that wants to believe what it wants to believe, not based on what is evident or true. Some believe their arbitrary feelings determine 'my truth,' or that truth is relative.

Many non-believers have spiritual and supernatural experiences today and that doesn't automatically mean they believe in God. Some even have stories of dying and talking to their dead relatives and coming back to life- some choose to believe after that, but some don't.

So, I think most do not have an intellectual block to believing, but an emotional block.

Romans 1:20 says that God's design is so evident that everyone is without excuse to believe. There's nothing that makes our heart beat right now. Only God is keeping us alive. That's God's amazing design, but yeah, others would have you believe that it's likely that a random explosion from nothing which has never been witnessed and can never be recreated created this amazing design with countless advanced features that the smartest minds on earth can't comprehend. It takes more faith to believe in accidental design than in God's intentional design, yet people don't want to believe in God because they are afraid of giving up their lifestyle of sin, so they do mental gymnastics to arrive at their desired belief. This is what I mean by an emotional block.

It is Christmas morning. Miracles happen this day -Jesus our Savior was born on this Heavenly Day. All you do is get on your knees and Pray. Have the Faith it will happen on God's best timing and stay. Reach out to others as you would want them to do to you. The Love of our God for His Creations was seen by me more times then numbered. So am wise in telling you these truths. No matter your situation you never give up and go to the enemy's side. For the Faith you show to your Father in Heaven as you pray for a miracle today--Will come true in His timing for you. For a miracle was born this Christmas Day. And your miracle you ask for will be born today. Stay on your knees...Faith to Him... watch what happens in the end. Merry Christmas to all...with the Light of God Shining Bright...on you today!!!

Dose it say in the Bible (even an old barn needs a new coat of somethings )

When I believe I know how God can work and what He will or won't do or what is even realistic and possible based off of my experience and understanding of the world I am actually learning on that understanding. One must discard what their senses, knowledge and experience tells them is possible for that is the knowledge and understanding of man. Instead know that anything is possible for our Father regardless of what we have been taught. He did drop meat from the sky and produced bread on the ground and brought water from rocks for the Israelites while they traveled through the wilderness. Those are what seem to be extremely unrealistic and impossible tasks in our eyes yet for God they were delivered daily as if no problem. If God wanted me could produce a brand new vehicle out of thin air and drop it in your driveway if He chose to do so regardless of what you may understand to possible. Place no limitations on God and what he can or will do and be amazed at the wonders He will reveal to you.

This is the only other verse in the KJV that mentions the word "unseemly". More proof of what I already concluded: "unseemly" means "against its own nature" not "against man-made customs".

I need pray er and I may become a better Christian a better child of God better son to my mother a better father to my son thank you

Paul was called by God from his mother's womb ( Galatians 1:15), but Paul was apprehended by God for God's exclusive service on the road to Damascus. From that moment onwards, Paul was aware that his life was not his own; he'd been bought with a price, the precious BLOOD of the Lamb.

I don't know about the Babylon reference, but I think God might be allowing our society to destroy itself or maybe humble itself. Most of the things people say currently are lies. People just lie and deceive each other constantly. Lies might even account for 95% of everything said and believed. It is almost like a lust for lies and the power that comes from deception. I think Romans 1:21-25 describes the cultural degradation now occurring in the USA.

HEBREWS 12:14 Follow peace with all men and hollinesse without which no man shall see the Lord 1611 bible

Don't stop there , get to know the Lord and his will ! Through the word and Holy Spirit !

Romans chapter 1

What does verse 3,4 , 9 have in. Common ?

This is what I know. God is a spirit and a consuming fire. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

The Holy Spirit is invisible.

King James Bible

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. Three persons: all are one God.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Maybe you'd like to add a KJV Bible to your bookcase?

Blessings, Mishael

The Father purposes; wills

The Son is the Word of God, speaks it

The Holy Spirit performs the the spoken Word of God

When we speak the Word of God over an issue or condition in our lives; according to the Known Will of God (the Bible, OT and NT); the Holy Spirit moves to accomplish it.

All three are one; not Separated.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7, John 10:30

Acts 17:27-30

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

They speak amongst themselves.

Write these scriptures on the inside cover of your Bible now. This subject comes up often. The scriptures are plain enough to be understood.

Debates and arguing theologies according to varying opinions cause confusion. Acts 17 should dispel that.

Mishael

Please refer to your bible Genesis 1,2,3. Please note that the world would have been a perfect place had our ancestors: Adam and Eve been obedient. Today, the world experiences higher forms of sins, crimes, frauds, events as a result of man's disobedience.

How is it possible for you to know the eternalness of God! The whole world is full of sin, their is none righteous, no not one. Who are you to judge these things O man! Our sin has separated us from God. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. God became poor that we might be made rich! He became flesh and dwelt among us. He has died, but one time ,on the cross that all men might be saved. This is the message! This is the message!

Thou almost persuades me, until you use the word grapple. Grapple will never work, you have allowed the sin of unbelief to enter in! You cannot grapple the word of God! It is a stone that cannot be moved! A stone that only a person of faith will here. You are filling the footsteps of the elite, very well!

Sanctification ,justification, redemption, are yours through faith in shed blood of Christ! This grace is given for the world! Never mind what Calvin , or Luther, or the pope think! Your salvation is complete in him. If you do not except the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, you will know the answer when you die. The answer written, cannot be changed! Let God be true and every man a liar!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Each scripture demonstrates all 3 persons speaking together: Father, Word, Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Theres at least 10 scriptures proving it. If you find more, let me know.

Mishael

Yes Norman, your statement sounds 'OK' to me. I concur with every word you've written & as I look at not only the Sun & the Earth, but also at Man, indeed anything with life, I can barely comprehend the complexities of cellular structure, of their organs & operations and the capability of everything within us functioning in harmony within the bounds set for us. To believe that all this can just happen without a Creator is quite simply mind boggling & says nothing good about such darkened minds that are otherwise exercised in accomplishing great things for man's good.

Romans 1:20-25 speaks well on this abnormality. Even though, he who is not inclined to believe in a supernatural creator & may not set up idols to worship, yet he is persuaded that he is his own god & answerable to none else, & that his goodness comes from within him or because of compulsion from a worldly authority. To him, the rejection of God, of His creative Powers, of His Love & interest in the affairs of His creation, is an absurdity & this only shows to us who believe & to the heavenly host, that the 'light' that man believes he has, is in fact the light that leads him to greater darkness. The path he chooses may seem right but the end of it ultimately brings him to spiritual ruin ( Proverbs 16:25).

God gave them over to the mind they desired (reprobate) but He did not leave them there without the possibility of conversion We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (our choice), But God intervened by sending His Son to pay the wages (death) by living a perfect, sinless life; nailed to a Cross; died there, and rose again and is now in Heaven to intercede for those who believe in Him. To believe as Calvinists teach that God specified who will be saved and the rest left to burn in the lake of fire is without merit. Jesus died for all ( John 3:16)! God sent His Holy Spirit (another Comforter) to teach and lead us into the perfection we must have to enter into Heaven. Everyone is on equal ground. God is no respecter of persons. Most will choose to be destroyed (Broad is the gate that leadeth to destruction and most will choose this one). Choose the narrow! You will not be disappointed and all of Heaven stands ready to get you there. We must prayer to have the mind of Jesus. Blessings, Steve

God bless you brother Richard

Perhaps James 5:16 - ...confess your sins to one another...

Or 1 Peter 3:15 - ... and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you...

Or perhaps John 20:23 -...whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them...

It could be Romans 1:16 - ...I am not ashamed of the gospel...

Love in Christ