John Chapter 1 Discussion Page 35

come on people if you are still drinking milk you will say that Jesus is God him self. if you are eating solid food you say that there one in agreement [[unison]how can you make 3120 people to be one. only by working together as one [unison]that what he ask his farther do what over them let them one like you and me.john17;11.Nobody is this world is as close as Jesus and his father they so close and loving we can start to think they are the same person when they not.col.1:15-17 he Jesus was the first of God creation how in heaven and earth can he the same person as his father JOHN20:31

Does Thomas exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God? Thomas answered him,'My Lord and my God! There is no objection to reffering to Jesus as "God,"if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as "gods."( John 10:34,35,RS; Ps 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:1(NW)Jesus is referred as the only-begotten god. Isaiah 9:6(RS) also prophetically descibes Jesus as "Mighty God," but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus' being described as " a god," or "divine at John 1:1. The context help us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus' death, Thomas had herd Jesus' prayer in which he addressed his father as "the only true God."(John17:3) After Jesus' resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: "I am ascending...to my God and your God." ( John 20:17,RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name."( John 20:31,RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas'exclamation that Jesus is himself "the only true God" or that Jesus is a Trinitarian "God the Son" he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs.17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs.31).

Does John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God

John 1:1,RS:" In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God[also KJ,JB,Dy,Kx,NAB]" NE reads "what God was,the Word was." Mo says" the logos was divine." AT and Sd tell us "the Word was divine."The interlinear rendering of ED is a god was the word."NW reads the Word was a god";NTIV uses the same wording.
What is it that these translators are seeing in the Greek text that moves some of them to refrain from saying "the Word was God"? The definite artical(the)appears before the first occurrence of theos'(God) but not before the second. The articular (when the artical appears) construction of the noun point to an identity, a personality, wheras a singular anarthrous (with out the artical) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) point to a quality about someone. So the text is not saying that the Word (Jesus)was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather,that the word was godlike,divine,a god. What did the Johm mean when he wrote John 1:1? Did he mean that Jesus is himslf god or perhaps that Jesus is one God with the Father? In the same chapter, verse 18, John wrote: "No one["no man ,"KJ,Dy]has ever seen God; the only son ["the only begotten god NW],Who is in the bosom of the Father,he has made known."(RS) Had any human seen Jesus Christ,the Son? Of course! So, then ,was John saying that Jesus was God? Obviously not. Towards the end of his Gospel,John summarized matters, saying: "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ[not God] the Son of God."- John 20:31.RS.

darlene please check your translation of j.1.1 last word is missing the word was a god not (was god) j1:14 agreement in mighty god one problem our god the creator was God ALMIGHTY slight difference. 1 tim 3:16 disagree with God ALMIGHTY being made into flesh yes his begotten son his first born of all creation the word he was made into flesh.j10:30 I MAKE A REQUEST, THAT THEY ALL BE ONE JUST AS YOU FATHER, ARE IN UNION WITH ME AND I AM IN UNION WITH YOU THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN UNION WITH US J 17:20,21. I and the father are one is a wonderful unity the closet bond possible between 2 persons especially father and son.

you can say many interpretations people are taught the trinity is the truth others not until you can interpret the hebrew and greek scripture yourself then you can see the truth until its all guesswork but please note all will find out the truth eventually some will be wrong and some right. my belief is simple in the beginning the word was,andthe word WAS with GOD and the word was a god. ALMIGHTY NO but mighty god yes. end

Jesus Christ is Lord of all & one thing is for certain, He is coming back for the Church!

Jesus Is God? What a ridiculous yet common false witnessing. "if you have seen me, you have seen the father." Were we all not created in the likeness of God? How many times must Jesus say "OUR father" until you finally get it? His story is not one of becoming God or the rebirth of God. It is about forfeiting his own will and living out the will of God, which he asks us all to do as well? Perhaps you bible thumpers need a reference. In John 20-16 he tells Mary to tell his brothers "I ascend unto my father, and your father; and to my god, and your god>" He didnt just say it, he told her to repeat it verbatim. Think about it. Thats what Jesus would do.

GOD is love,love the WORD and knowledge it you shall surely find LOVE and the LIGHT everlasting.

Jesus is God,He was before john the baptist and yet john said that one will come after me even though he was before me.When Mary told John's mother that she too was with child,John leaped for joy, because he received the Holy Ghost at that time(6months old)in the whomb.Jesus is God's son, the flesh,"One mediator between man and God,the man Jesus.But they tried to kill Him with all the beating's and they could'nt,NO-ONE can kill a Spirit,but God Himself.When Jesus was casting out devil's from everyone,the devils feared Jesus because they know He's God, they asked Him not to destroy them,cast them in the swine that they will live.Bad spirit's are the fallen Angel's, when the Devil was cast into outer darkness,they fell with him. Here ol'Isreal,our Lord our God is one Lord!I know the ONE who know's,Jesus is LORD of All!!!

Mark 13:32
[ No One Knows the Day or Hour ] “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:31-33 (in Context) Mark 13
Also notice not even the Holy Spirit ,knows the day or the hour.It say "Only The father" Now why would that be if they are 3 of the same beings?

response to Jerry; check Luke 1:39-

where is the chap- that mery with cild in her whomb went to visit martha or some one and they was with babe and he leaped in her whomb.

Harvest in the winter?nope! Don't kown the year or even the day but I think the True Christ will return Sept. 29th. But the whole world has to follow instead of christ first and the two witness must be killed in a place where all can see their bodies. T.V. will do that. But 3 and a half days later if I'm on the street and you ask me I will be able to tell you the exact time.

JOHN CHAP.1 GIVES TOTAL PROVE OF WHO JESUS IS AND THE REIALITY OF PURPOSE& AND EXISTEN. JESUS IS ALIVE!

Truly Jesus is the Son of God & God at the same time,son of God is actually a title given by God To people who have the holy spirit.King David was called firstborn son( psalm 89:26-27)Jesus is the first and the last(Rev1:8) but when He was about to be send from God,God said He is sending him as a Son(Psalm2:6-7)Apostle Paul says those who have God spirit are Gods sons(8:14,Heb12:23)son of God is a connontation meaning people who hav the holy spirit God sayin that He bore them,Jesus came as a person like me & u and he had the holy spirit hence the son of God but he was the manisfestation of God(1Timothy3:16,Isaiah9:6,Malachi3:1Psalm45:6-7).There is no trinity God is one Jesus is the manisfestation of God bodily,Jesus came in the Power of the Holy Spirit and that Holy Spirit is God.Jesus being the word of God is goes back to Moses when God spoke wit people from a burning mountain people were so afraid and trembling,they asked Moses to speak wit them in God's place then Moses said God wil send someone from among them whom God wil speak through who is the Word of God(Deutoronomy18:16-18)

I believe and know that Jesus is Jehovah's son there isn't any doubt in my mind.and lets look at it like this too, if Jesus was god in the flesh and he came here telling everyone he was gods son... wouldn't that make Jesus a liar... hmm. john 8:44 shows who the liar is..Jesus and Jehovah wouldn't mislead people

I have read over John and I agree with it one-hundred %. John loved God and followeed what ever he was told. God, Jesus and the holy spirit are all one. John is also mentioned inthe chapter of Revelations. Whoever reads this, may God bless you all and please pass it on.

Can one be with one and be one at the same time. verse 2 reafirms that the Word was with God.
Verse 18 says no NO ONE has seen God at ANY time!
Jesus explained him. Seeing Jesus was LIKE seeing
God because he was "the image of the invisible God
the first born of every creature" ( Col 1:15,2 Cor 4:4 Heb 1:3) in this way it can be said " I and the Father are one" ( John 10:30) & "he that has seen me has seen the Father" ( John 14:9) There is no mystery. Jesus is the the SON of the one and only true God ( John 17:3) He himself said I ascend unto my father and your father; and to my God and your God.( John 20:17)
This reasoning harmonizes with the whole Bible with no contradictions.

god is coming back jan-9 -2012

Trinity

Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.
What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ ( Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Jesus is the the fleshly representation of God's word. Hense he is known as the Word, and there are other descriptions we will confirm. The Greek vernacular of the scripture tranalated interlinearly says (John1:1,"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward the God, and god was the Word." the Greek spellings of God is capitalized in "toward the God" and not capitalized in," god was the Word." When translated from the Greek root meaning, it reads in english this way, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was a god." Jesus is a god. Not God the Almighty.
Jesus is also known in the scriptures as the Son of man. ( Acts 7:56) and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”Compare, Matthew 25:31) “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.
If The Son of man (Jesus)is God Almighty would it be reasonable for him to approach one greater than himself? Consider if you will DAN 7:9,10.. 9)"I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire. 10) There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him. There were a thousand thousands that kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him. The Court took its seat, and there were books that were opened...
Continuing, DAN 7:13,14 “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. 14) And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.(The Ancient of Days clearly describes God)
Compare; ( Hebrews 1:1-4,6) 1) God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3) He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4) So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs........verse 6) But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” Compare also Matthew 25:31) “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. ( Acts 7:56) and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly two distinct entities.
Another scripture taken from the Greek Scriptures (New Testament) shows that Jesus is before all creation (God Almighty's only direct creation). In the Greek writings the wording would appear this way. John 17:5 ,"and now glorify me you, Father,beside to yourself to the glory which I was having before of the the world to be beside you. Translated in english to say,"So now you,Father,glorify me beside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
Notice in Hebrews 1:6 it mentions Jesus as being Firstborn. Jesus was with God ions before the 6 days of creation. In fact all things were created by God through Jesus, Col 1:15-17 (again line for line the Greek would read) "who is image of the God the invisible, firstborn of all creation, because in him it was created the all (things)in the heavens and upon the earth, the (things) visible and the (things) invisible, whether thrones or lordships or governments or authorities;the all (things) through him and into him it has been created; and he is before all(things)and the all (things) in him it has stood together. Versed in englih it reads , "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other (things) were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,no matter whether they are thrones,or lordships, or governments or authorities. All other(things)have been created through him and for him. Also he is before all (other) things and by means of him all (other) things were made to exist." Before time as we know it, Jesus was the only direct creation by God (Jehovah). Then all things were created by God (Jehovah) through Jesus. Therefore we read as previously mentioned by Joe on 10/15/2011 @9:38 am,(God speaking to Jesus)," God said in Ge 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR own image."
Jesus in the Greek is Iesous' and in Hebrew it is Yeshua and means (Jehovah Is Salvation)as mentioned by Ray R on 10/12/2011 @ 2:40 am. This should not be misconstrued to mean it is another name or descriptive identity of Jesus. Note other names and their meanings in the bible; Jeconiah (Jehovah Firmly Establishes), Jecoliah (Jehovah Has been Able), Jeberechiah (Jehovah Blesses), Jedidiah (Beloved of Jah) Jah being the short version of Jehovah , example Ha-le-lu-jah meaning praise be to Jehovah.
Clearly these others are in no connection with Jesus nor are they considered to be God The Almighty. Their names describe who Jehovah is and what He is synonymus with. Jesus is our very salvation in that he was the sacrificial lamb provided by Jehovah for covering mans sins. Reasonably then, Jesus being the very sacrifice given for us would be the correct and rightful meaning of his name,"Jesus" meaning (Jehovah Is Salvation). Also mentioned was the Christ meaning: Annointed. Annointing is an act of one individual to another. Indicating two distinct individuals.
On a final note Jesus in reply to his disciples questions at Matthew 24:3 explains the sign of his presence and the occurrence of things at the conclusion of this system. Better known as Armageddon. Jesus words at Matthew 24:36, " Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son,but only the Father." In a trinitarian godship all godheads are omnipotent. All have exact power. Equal if you will. Not one greater than the other. All knowing of everything together. Jesus clearly stated he did not know the day or hour. Only the Father knew that time frame. Jesus spoke of how some one could speak against him (The Son of man)and be forgiven, but speaking against the holy spirit would never be forgiven.( MT 12:32) Again this would not stand to reason in a trinitarian worship.
Accurate knowledge is the means of salvation. Jesus said in John 17:3 "This means ever lasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."

just wanted to respond to Takiris about the verse 1.It seem that way but what it is.The third part is when he spoke and everythung came into exsistence.In the begining was the word which was God(1),The word was with God,thats the word inside Him before He spoke(2)Then when He spoke everything was made that was made(3) hope this help with your understanding.

I have read John.1:1 and I only see two individuals not three! the Word was and the Word(Jesus) was with God.How can Jesus be one and the same person where the sciptures clealy state that he is with his Father, no way that he is part of a Trinity.Also at verse 18 this is what it says "No man has seen God at any time;the only-begotten god who is in the bosom postion with the Father is the one that has explained him.So the Trinity is false no where in the bible is the Trinity found.Was John contradicting himself no way.(2Tim.3:16)The problem is not the bible it is us, we need ask God for his Holy Spirit and he will help us understand

Just Read It - you will see the Bible is true as you apply it to your life and realize that all the Bible says has been able to be verified throughout history!!

Trinity is a man made word its not in the bible but it means 3 in 1

the bible tells us Jesus is God

the bible tells there is 3 that bear record in heaven the father the son and the holy ghost and these 3 ARE 1

only God can forgive sin the bible tells us that,Jesus forgave sin

only God is to be worshiped the bible tells us that,Jesus was worshiped

come on people read your bible its there in God word in black and white

Yes Jesus was God in bodily form,is what Apostle Paul said on 1Timothy3:16,the prophet Isaiah9:6-7.this are most straight forward scriptures about Jesus being God and Jesus Himself spoke about Himself being one with the Father meaning Father and Son being One is God(john10:30,17:20-23) and Jesus also made it straight about his nature sayin He came out of God(john8:42,16:26-30) and will return back to Him since they are one

The bible does not refer to a trinity. God does speak of himself in the plural. The Godhead includes three aspects of the same intity. God said in Gen 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR own image." So then we are made the same? We have a body, a soul, and a spirit. The body houses all 3 aspects. The soul which includes the mind, or controling aspect. And the spirit which is our divining life force. we are born with a worldly spirit. when we accept the spirit of the lord our worldly spirit dies.



In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



God speaks to us in a still small voice or with his thoughts. Although he could use thunder or any other loud voice to get his point across he works on our minds through his spirit which is shared equally with all believers.

So Gods mind (or his word) was sent to live, teach, and suffer along with us and become the ultimate blood sacrifice to cover our sins.



John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."



It stands to reason if Jesus is the word of God that when you talk to Jesus Christ you are talking to the very mind of God.

Brief note from my notes in the introduction of the Gospel of John
Deity of Christ – Jesus means “Jehovah is Salvation” and Christ means “The Anointed One”. Titus 1:4 “To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus (Jehovah is Salvation) Christ (the Anointed One) our Savior.” Whenever you come across the word “LORD” in all capitals in the KJV it is God’s name “Jehovah”. Isa.43:1 “But now thus saith the LORD (Jehovah) that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.” Isa.43:3 “For I am the LORD (Jehovah) thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.” Isa.43:10-11 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jehovah), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour.”Isa.45:21-22 “Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD(Jehovah)? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” Dt.32:39 “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.” Isa.7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”Isa.9:6 “For unto us (Israel) a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Matthew 1:21 “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (Jehovah is Salvation): for he shall save his people from their sins.”
See I John 4:1-3 Notice vs 3 “By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus (Jehovah is Salvation) Christ (the Anointed One) has come in the flesh is of God” Jesus is not “a” God – He is GOD-Gen.1:1, Isa.43:10-11, Dt.32:39, I John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy [Spirit]: and these three are one” God is a TRINITY – God the Father, God the Word (who came in the flesh-Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus was the Godhead bodily, meaning that when you have seen Jesus you also see God bc God is the spirit that is inside of Jesus. Verse 14 says that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, meaning that God created Himself a body and poured the fulness of Himself into that body. That is why that body knew no sin nor did any sin. He took our sin upon Himself for our salvation.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.( 1 Corinthians 2:14) Only with the Spirit of God can we know God's truth.

Scriptures I like disputing the trinity
John 1 verse 2; John 1:14; John 20: 17; 1 John 1: 1-3; John 5: 26, 36, 37. Just a few.
Why did God’s prophets not teach it?
WHY, for thousands of years, did none of God’s prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the “central doctrine” of faith?

Are Christians to believe that centuries after Christ and after having inspired the writing of the Bible, God would back the formulation of a doctrine that was unknown to his servants for thousands of years, one that is an “inscrutable mystery” “beyond the grasp of human reason,” one that admittedly had a pagan background and was “largely a matter of church politics”?

The testimony of history is clear: The Trinity teaching is a deviation from the truth, an apostatizing from it.