Matthew Chapter 1 Discussion Page 4

I wanted to clarify that astrological seasons existed before the flood from the creation of heavenly bodies on the 4th day. The ability to measure life spans in years also came from astrological observations beginning with Adam. The vapor canopy would have made seasonal variations in heat and cold much less extreme. It also appears rain occurred for the first time at the flood. Prior to that a mist watered the entire earth, which would have been more gentle and dependable.

However, after the flood seasons became clearly associated with greater variations in heat and cold, rain and much more distinct planting and harvesting cycles. Additionally the number of observable stars increased. Man's dependence on tracking the seasons rose in importance for survival and the heavens became more fascinating, which contributed to connecting worship with men that possessed some understanding of the heavens. They led man in a transference of worship from God to the visible objects that held sway over human lives. Thus Babel and man's desire to aspire to greater knowledge connecting man to the heavens corrupted worship and led God to judge mankind with divisions that shifted their focus away from having a single culture unified in such false worship.

There is actually a lot of clues on how significantly the world changed after the flood that prove Peter's point that the world Noah inhabited was truly destroyed and a new world emerged. Stating all things have continued unchanged from the beginning of creation and that all can be known by projecting all currently observable processes infinitely into the past is a lie. If you had never seen an egg and only projected what you could now see in an omelet infinitely into the past, would you come up with an egg?

Dear "Roy" In God it would be a nother world! Absolutely not like we see, hear all the noice! Belive that for your own sake.

Be blessed from Acts 19:21-41 Love u in Christ

Thank you for your response and the logical position you offer . Most definitely food for thought.

Regards Roy

Thank you. I quite like the idea that at the beginning GOD liked what he had made and gave it perhaps intended to give it immortality. Then IP pops Satan and Sin and the more men progressively and collectively sinned GOD liked them less and less and in direct proportion reduces the life span of man. Perhaps slowly down to the Crucifixion and the gift of everlasting life with the forgiveness of sins. After that GOD allows men to develop and medical research and practice began to have effect.. I am not atall sure that I want to live in this world for a 900 years anyway.

Regards. Roy

I would also point out that the first 6 generations all lived 895 to 930 years, with Afam living the longest of those generations.

Genesis 5:5,8,11,14,17,20

The next 3 generations had widely varying ages. Enoch lived 365 years and was translated rather than died - Genesis 5:23. Enoch is the first clearly identified prophet and his age and ages of the next two generations that died before the flood had prophetic significance. Enoch's age is a solar year of days as we now understand it, even though there is strong evidence that at that time a lunar calendar with years of 360 days was used. Methuselah lived the longest at 965 years - Genesis 5:27. Methuselah died the year the flood came and I believe his name means "When he dies it will come". Lemach lived 777 years and died 5 years before the flood - Genesis 5:31. I should not need to point out the significance of the number 7 in prophesy.

Noah is the last generation to live over 900 years at 950 years - Genesis 9:29.

The generations after Noah all have significantly shorter life spans after the flood. I believe this due in part to the loss of the water vapor canopy surrounding the entire earth that was created on the second day of creation. That canopy I believe protected mankind from virtually all solar radiation. Volcanic activity that condensed the canopy and that ultimately broke up the waters of the great deep also increased particulates in the atmoshere. Increased solar radiation and particulates probably contributed to increased mutations and cancers in both man and animals. The removal of the canopy also introduced seasons and a wider variations in global temperature zones along with seasonal extremes leading to famine. Combined with a change from a purely vegetarian diet to an omnivorous diet, new pathways for cross-species transmission of viruses of other disease agents may have created more pestilence. The division at Babel led to more wars. The birth pangs of Revelation took hold.

Hello Roy,

Wonderful question and I would suspect that the majority of us have pondered this at some moment in our lives.

Over the years I have read(heard) many illogical and unbiblical answers. So what we all would like to know is how did Noah really live to be 950 years old!? Was the length of a year different? Did the Earth spin faster?(small joke)

I will offer what I believe to be a biblical view that coincides with many a scripture.

Romans 8:13-17

We know that the first man in creation, being Adam, was formed in God's image, His perfection. Man formed in perfection. The closer we get to the first generations of God's creation the more God-like I believe they must have been.

Galatians 3:13 Jeremiah 17:5-6

Once sin began to take course the following generations began to suffer. As time passed and we come to Moses, he only lived to be 120.

I believe that in the Garden of Eden God's creation of man had fallen due to the fall of man. In other words, had sin not infiltrated the generations of man we would still be having a conversation, today, with men of long ago. Imagine having children at 100, or serving our Lord for 900 years. I can't even fathom. Those first men must also have shared Much more in common with God than we do. Today we are "built cheap" because of sin.

Another thought if I may. During the fall in Eden God also cursed the ground. Imagine what our world would be today.

I hope that this helps to understand the question of time being different in the OT days vs modern day.

God Bless you brother

A question not related to Mathew or even to the New Testament but to the Old Testament and that relates to the extreme long levity of many of the people referred to.

Is there some different interpretation or understanding as to how long a year was during the era of the Old Testament?

Medical evidence suggests that the average life of a man at that time would probably have been less than 30 years.

Thanks for your help

Roy

Most of them we can't . Love is our law now . God loved us so much that He gave us His only begotten Son and His Son loved us so much that he willingly offered himself as the perfect sinless sacrifice to cover all of our sins . Please read Luke Ch 10 V 25-28 .

Thanks for sorting me out with the various titles

Best regards

Roy

Hi Roy, I don't really have the answers about applying Levitical laws. This topic has been talked about often on here.

But what I wanted to speak to was this. The Talmud was created during the Babylonian captivity, long after Leviticus was written. The Talmud is the interpretation of these laws by rabbis (who came into existence in this same captivity).

The first 5 books of the OT is called the Torah and the entire OT is called the Tanahk.

It is easy to mix these up because seem a bit similar.

I am also reading the Old Testament and have got to Leviticus which is the basic rules for practicing Jews as in The Talmud and is 3000 years old.

How do we relate these rules to modern day living?

Adam just showed a link inside this site that compares several versions. If you type verse, bottom of page has "Other Translations for ___:__"

It may be NKJV may be protected under copyright laws, limiting website uses, etc.

Hello, not everyone believes that interpretation. The Bible is clear that the dead will be caught up in the air. It says they will be sleeping before that. There's more Biblical support for that than the alternative. Paul's actual quote of 'rather' being with the Lord is taken out of context so often its like the telephone game. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord as when the silver cord is broken. You do have a soul and spirit, but you will also be given a new body which is changed which originated from the flesh. But, now will be changed and raised up immortal as written in 1 Corinthians 15:49-53

Your soul & spirit are with Christ who is raised up already. Why do the ones martyred ask the Lord how much longer if the dead cannot speak (speaking of course their dead old flesh bodies). The old flesh body is asleep - but the soul & spirit are awake and praise God alive.

God is not the God of the dead but Is the God of the living! Paradise is not where we are not conscious or asleep.

Where is Christ now? We'll He died and took our death! Praise God we will be with Him in our last second when our flesh body passes away as our soul & spirit ascends to be with Him and forevermore. Plus we get to be with Him now because He will never leave us or forsake us and is with us!

We are "NEW" creatures.

Also, it says as He is "NOW" so are we in this world. Also, says that we are seated already with Him in heavenly places. Our flesh body is the only thing down here that needs to be raised or change similar to this age as it will also wear out like an old garment. The flesh body is the only thing left down here that needs to be translated.

He is coming soon so Praise God the dead in Christ will rise first like it was before so shall it be again similar to Matthew 27:52 except those then were not yet with Christ till after His death when He set the captives free!

May God bless and May we all look to Jesus and praise Him!

You have a soul and a spirit, and you also have God's spirit he breathed into Adam, one place it says the spirit of man goes up and the spirit of the beast goes down plus it says there is no knowledge in the grave and death is called sleep in the OT and NT both. But if the dead in Christ rise then how can they be in heaven wouldn't they descend? With that does it matter people get comfort from Mom's in heaven watching over me, scriptural truth or fable. I always thought if we have to be judged and there is a judgement day how are we in heaven before judgement day. dose our spirit go up but our soul sleeps? Lazarus died yet Jesus brought him back to life, we see Abrham with Jesusl

Heaven won't be about us matter of fact john shall a new heaven and earth because the old had passed away and the temple come down from heaven Rev. it says they will neither be male or female, a 71 years old person can be a babe in Christ say he was saved at 70 and died at 71 he's a year Old in Christ, Paul said it does not yet appear what we shall be so I don't think we know. An elder could be 30 if he was saved at 16 and an older person not be if they were just saved. plus we only know in part 1 Corinthians 13:12

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." And some words were unlawful for Paul to speak, 2 Corinthians 12:4

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

King James Version (KJV)

Yes, Ronald

Daniel 12:3 says

(NIV)

Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

So, we will shine in eternity. I think all of heaven will shine with the God's holy light

Revelations 21:22-23

Yet I think we will be able to discern Jesu' countenance and that of others

In this life here, such light would be blinding, but in our new incorruptible bodies, our eyes will not be bothered by the light of holiness we will experience forever in heaven.

Jesus is both the light of the world and the light of heaven.

Obviously light is associated with holiness, so when Jesus said to let our light shine in this life, He is referring to our godly lifestyle that causes others to glorify God.

Thanks for reminding me about these verses.

People who've died on operating tables and been resuscitated, have said children seen in a vision, were adolescents. (Including all of those who were aborted or miscarried).

For me, who lost a child by miscarriage, it comforts me that I will meet that child someday. I named him.

I don't think we should think of them as dead anymore.

People who suffered disabilities in life, of any type, will be perfect in heaven. All those feelings of being rejected because of imperfection, accidents or all reasons; will be RESTORED.

That is the Father that I've come to know and love. His heart is mercy. He truly cares what we suffer here on this earth. There will be no jealousy or envy; persecution of any type. No feelings of inadequacy. We'll all have the mind of Christ Jesus.

Think on these things. Set your heart on what's to come. Be at peace now; knowing that what God has purposed for us will be far and above anything we can imagine.

Glean from the BIBLE, scriptures that touch on this. Book of Job, Genesis after creation was completed; and so much more. Discover every verse that tells us specific details about heaven, Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit, angels.

Right now we know when we get to Heaven there will be a huge banquet at the marriage of the Lamb; to His people. (Covenant). We know that God enjoys banquets, music, dancing and choirs; we will stroll by the Tree of Life. No memories of past pain or hurts. Just a lot of JOY.

Search out those verses yourself and then come back here to share them with us.

Let's all do our best to evangelize those who think Heaven will be boring. We know what we know, in our hearts, already. Jesus is who we looked for, all of our earthly lives.

There is an equal alternative to drugs alcohol flesh parties, hollow sinful things. Heaven is NOT a buzz kill. It's JOY UNSPEAKABLE, full of Grace.

2 Peter 4 is coming to earth. Global warming is a LIE.

Mishael

Hey Gigi,

If we do like the little song; This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine, it will shine then, some brighter than others but none as bright as our Savior Jesus Christ whose light shines through us.

Daniel 12:2-3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Keep the light on and keep it shining.

God bless,

RLW

Simply, do not even bother to try an plant a seed of truth, to people who have no interest , an are of no faith, an would rather mock an criticize. For it would only waste your time, an then they'll mock an critique you as well

Peace

Although there is no scripture on this age factor, threw my studies, I have noticed that it seems to be, somewhere between 28 - 33 ,. An sense the spiritual body dose not get sick , or grow old ,.. that is what I thought, mind you now , this is just my understanding,.. thank you

Peace

Hi Adam

Good explanation.

I think that we will have a body like Jesus had after His resurrection. He could eat and be touched. He had human form and skin and bones.

But He could appear and move through time and space at will.

And the Angels said He would come back in the same way He ascended, bodily.

Yet, again. He did say that He went to the Father to receive back the glory He had before the creation of the world. We do not know what that glory is, but Paul's encounter on the road to Damascus and the Transfiguration tell us that He is surrounded by light. I don't know if we will shine like Jesus but I do think our bodies will be like His and we can be touched, eat, etc. like He did after the resurrection . I think we will continue to be filled with the Holy Spirit but in a more complete and perfect way.

Hello, I've heard this interesting question before, but the Bible doesn't answer this anywhere to my knowledge.

I'm not sure we will even have physical bodies per se, but perhaps some kind of spiritual body that is permanent that may have a a physical representation. Job 19:26 indicates there could be a flesh component.

1 Corinthians 15:52 suggests that the body may be a new incorruptable form.

The dead will rise to meet Jesus. Since bodies generally turn back into dust in the ground, I think its logical that some kind of renewed body or spiritual body would contain us. I would assume we would all look our natural mature age as an adult and not a child or senior, but this isn't based on anything Biblical, just speculation. God bless.

Please explain matthew 7:6

What age will we be in heaven. I can't imagine babies staying babies forever

Like lazeris an the rich man,.. as of now, there are 2 sides of heaven,. More or less holding places till all souls have had chance to be born , with a gulf in between they cannot cross, if you've been good your on the right an if you were just plain evil , your on the left . All though will be there in the millennium, an will have chance to redeem themselves,. In preparation of the great white throne judgement,.. remember every one gets a chance to be born from above threw water an into flesh, to decide weather they will worship God , or satin

Hey Rick,

Death is something we all will face; many believe our body dies and our soul lives on. Is our soul immortal? Can we take 2 Corinthians 5:8 when we die our soul leaves our body and we are present with the Lord? Some define death as a separation of the soul from the body. Does that come from scripture? I have not found that in scripture.

It comes from Greek philosophy of Plato. He wrote the body is a prison for the soul and viewed death as the means of freedom for the soul. The philosophy of death started blending in the church in the second century and those good souls go to heaven and the bad goes to hell and more. Many see the parable in Luke 16:19-31 as fitting this. If you read the chapter Jesus is talking about the unrighteous love mammon and neglect the true riches.

My understanding from scripture every part of us is mortal and when we die, we sleep in the dust, Job 14:12-14, Job 17:13-16, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 until resurrection. When this mortal puts on immortality 1 Corinthians 15:52-58, and we will be absent from this flesh body. Then those that are Christs will be judged and receive our rewards. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12 that is our hope, 1 Thessalonians 2:19

We will sleep in the dust, Daniel 12:2, 1Theselonians 4:14 and this is not from heaven, it is from around the world to meet Jesus in the air coming down to Israel the start the 1000 years at His coming. Matthew 24:31 Zechariah 14:4.

This is my understanding of scripture.

God bless,

RLW

Some confusion here. Some say that when we die the soul goes to God for judgement as the bible says once to die and then the judgement. That gives me the impression that the judgement comes after you die. If that is the case then the bible also says for the dead are dead and conscience of nothing but he will raise then up when he comes to the air but not his 2nd coming. The dead in Christ will rise first. And then the living will be called up. If the people are dead then and do not get raised until Christ appears in the sky, then how can their soul already be with God after they died. God made man from the dust of the ground and created a living soul. So if the soul goes to heaven up death, would this not man man immortal? Only God is immortal. There seems to be two possibilites here that I cannot get the right one. Are the soul and Body one or separate? Thanks.

Before Jesus was born, God existed eternally as three Persons in One Being (the Godhead). When the appointed time on earth came, God the Father sent His Son to earth to redeem us by taking on human flesh but still retaining His divinity in this new person, Jesus. So, Jesus is the eternal Son of God made flesh for our salvation. The humanity of Jesus had a beginning at His miraculous conception, but the Son of God lived forever prior to becoming Jesus. It is more theologically correct to say: that Jesus is God and man in one Person; that the Son of God is eternally God, The Father is eternally God, and the Holy Spirit is eternally God. Together, these three persons are God together in One Being. Hope this helps.

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