Matthew Chapter 1 Discussion Page 6

English Sasha My understanding is Mathew is the royal lineage look up how many men are mentioned in the lineage that were kings, look at how many times Jesus christ who is the King of Kings talks about Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God more than any other Gospel, In the gospel of luke is given the flesh side or as a man the perfect man in this Gospel the term son of man is used the most. This is my understanding, there's more to it.

John I don't view this an challenging my faith or belief, but from all your replies you appear to doubt what God says in His word, my question to you is what do you really believe. In the epistle of 2 Timothy 3:16 it says all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness. The words by inspiration of God in the greek is the word theopneustos which means God breathed think about that. Another example in the Gospel of Luke 1:3 the words perfect understanding [ perfect is akribos which is accurately and understanding is parakolou which means to follow along side of] so he was Given perfect knowledge to follow and write. Ties right into 2 Peter 1:20+21 and 2 Timothy 3:16. i'll go with Gods Word. God Bless

John This is where we see things differently I believe the Word of God is true and God Told the men to write what He wanted the way He wanted it, 2 Peter 1:20+21. I'll stay with the word.

John look up the word to know or knew his wife is to bare a child, Genesis 4:17, Genesis 4:25, it is an eastern saying, in what I explained there are two genealogies shown in the Gospels for a reason Mathew and Luke. I never stated that joseph genetically had anything to do with Jesus Christ conception that was a Miracle. Mathew says the book of the generation of Jesus Christ why does it say generation in Luke 3:23 it starts out in parenthesis, being [as was supposed] the son of joseph he was not He was the Son of God.

I believe that Mary was descended from king David through his son Nathan and that the genealogy in Luke is Mary's .

Respectfully, I don't think you answered Denise's question. I have no desire to challenge your faith. But the last line of the first chapter of Matthew is that Joseph did not "know" Mary until after she gave birth to Jesus. He is simply not the father of Jesus, not in any biological sense, and it would be erroneous to trace Jesus's descent through Joseph's lineage. Now if you want to go on faith because it is so written, please be my guest. Here's a thought: maybe Jesus's lineage doesn't really matter. Do you like the beatitudes in Chapter 4? well, maybe that's sufficient regardless of who spoke them.

Denise: Your question is a good one. The only logical answer is, this document--Matthew-- is a product of a patrilineal society, that is, descent is traced through the male line. Nothing then was known of DNA, and for the writer it would have been natural to trace Jesus's lineage through the male line and never think twice. Matthew, if he is the writer, is a product of his own time. And just as nothing was known of DNA, nothing was known of the basis of physical or mental disease back then. In fact we had to wait until the latter part of the 19th C for science to understand how diseases were transported by various vectors. At the time Matthew was written, we find Jesus and his disciples traveling about expelling demons because demons were thought to be the cause of all sorts of illnesses. The book Matthew is very much a product of its day.

Crossroman I'll finish with this the epistle or letter was written to the Church of God to which Jesus Christ gave the revelation Galatians 1:11+12 or information at to what was given through whom and all other details From Romans through Thessalonians written to Church of God born again believers. What he's discussing is the battle that is constant between the natural man 5 senses and the spiritual man we got when we were born again. He was born again when he was given the revelation because revelation is information you cannot know by your five senses 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 if I've discussed this before i apologise, don't know if things get through sometimes forgive me. God Bless

Crossroman Another item to consider if our only rule of faith and practice is Gods Word if I go to websites now I have a diverse amount of ideas as to what others thought it meant. Why can't I just stick to 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16 to see what God meant instead of what man thinks. Trust me in this what we're discussing there's more than one school of thought. God Bless

Crossroman That is impossible because it was written to the Church of God after he was born again and he was given the information to give to believers to explain the battle that goes on is between walking by the five senses and walking by the spirit.

Dianne it should be noted that in Romans 7 Paul's mind in conflict with his flesh is before he is converted. If you are inclined to think otherwise I would advise you to consider the opposite side of the position to the one you have taken, there is plenty of this to be found on the web.

Precious friend, Patrice. It is in ( John 1:1). Be Encouraged and Edified.

Hi Patrice look at gospel of John Chapter 1 verses 1-14.

Patrice.

John 1:1, 14 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Verse 14:. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1 my sister in Christ

I'm trying to find the verse and chapter where it states and the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the word became flesh. I need a chapter and verse in those exact words I can't locate it.

Hi Dense In Mathew 1:16 Scripture state and Jacob begat joseph the husband of mary of whom was born Jesus who was born Christ. Jesus Christ had sinless blood because the seed was from God Luke 1:30-35 the human side was mary, human prodigy is passed on through the father I.E. His seed. In leviticus 17: 11 The life of the flesh is in the blood jesus Christ has sinless blood that's genealogy. Prayerfully this helped God Bless

Hi , I believe that Mary was also descended from king David , she is a descendant of Nathan who was one of David's sons , David had quite a few sons .

It is confusing to me that Jesus's linage is assigned to David when Joseph was not his father and no part of Jesus has the DNA of Joseph. It is Mary's line from which he arose and that is never mentioned or explained in the bible. By the way I am not a feminist so that is not the root of this question.

Thanks

Denise

Brother Glenn, you are right, in this flesh NO ONE is equal to God; but when we depart this flesh the ONLY thing that remains is SPIRIT.

John 4:14 God is Spirit.....

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT ....

Christ died for us; WE (ourselves, flesh) have to die (be destroyed) for Christ (Spirit).

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, and the POWER of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (flesh) unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the SPIRIT MIGHT BE SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 9:20 An he (flesh) shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he (flesh) shall eat on the left hand, and they (flesh) shall not be satisfied: they (flesh) shall eat every man the flesh of their own right hand.

Isaiah 49:26 And I (Spirit) will feed them with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and ALL FLESH shall know that I the Lord (Spirit) am thy SAVIOUR and thy REDEEMER, the mighty one of Jacob.

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his on flesh.

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the ABUNDANCE OF the REVELATIONS, there was given me a THORN IN THE FLESH, (which is) the messenger of Satan (flesh) to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

Sister Dianne, thank you, I do agree we have to have our mind renewed by the word of God. I agree it is a life long process, also.

Earl In your one commentary about having the mind of Christ you never mentioned about renewed mind or we have to put on the word to do that, important little detail. That is not something to be assumed Other wise I agree with what you say. God Bless

Bob I don't get it either and am not going to try. God Bless

Earl brother but that's the way it appears so if that's not what was meant its all good. God Bless

Earl Thank you because that is the way it appeared so its all good. God Bless

NO ONE,.. is equal to GOD ,.. we are children of our Father,.. An we respect the trinity, Father , Son & Holy Sprit ,.. an of course the Temple Mount ,.. the rock to which, God will place his eternal temple

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex.

Sister Dianne, I didn't say it was instant. Being sanctified by the words of God take our physical lifetime; but we can know TRUTH NOW of what is to come.

Earl I do understand your scripture but you are saying that when we get born again we instantly think like Christ then why do we still sin, because if we had perfect spiritual minds we would have perfect spiritual thoughts and walk by the spirit perfectly, then why does it say in Romans 12:2 Renew your mind, also your Right it says let this mind be in you it doesn't say it's instant, also 2 Corinthians 10:5 bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. The apostle Paul wrote about it in Romans 7:15-23 in verse 23 he says warring against the law of my mind. There's an old saying ideas capture men not weapons. Our weapon is the word retained in our minds which is developed as we walk on the word the spirit is perfect.We still battle with the old man nature or human reasoning it must be brought to obedience by us putting on the Love of God in Christ. If this is what your saying. okay God Bless

Amen Bro. Earl Bowman i enjoy reading your post. We gotta keep the new birth in mind from that heavenly Seed . which is a Hint that we are gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. GOD The CHILD OF Promise ,unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. In both case Psalms 82 and Matthew 13 he is saying something to us that is gonna result in a birth making us Gods. His words ( conversation ) are gonna initiate a BIRTH OF Christ in us which is the H.G. THE Child of Promise and the H.G is truly God. ( Emamuel ) God with us. I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in us. Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name Receiveth me . The very fact that Jesus tells us the Kingdom of God is gonna be with in US Proves we are gonna be Gods . The Kingdom of God in all its GLORY IS NOTHIN LESS THEN GOD. PERIOD. The Marriage supper of the Lamb is gonna gonna make us 1 with our God which is the H.G. Emanuel God with us.