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Bruce, Jesus was speaking in the earlier verses about His coming again (v 27) after a time of great suffering. These verses had a partial fulfilment at the coming of Emporer Titus in AD 70 to destroy Jerusalem & the Temple. The people at that time would have thought that this was fulfilment of Jesus' words, but the full extent of those words haven't been realized as yet. They must point to another future event i.e. when Jesus comes again.

So when Jesus says "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.", he tells his disciples to be alert & ready for that great event. "To pray always" doesn't imply that all His followers must constantly be in a state of kneeling prayer (or nothing would ever get done). I understand that we are to, in our watchfulness, be also in prayerfulness, as being mindful of spiritual matters & not getting caught up with the worldly. The very act of praying is one's turning of attention from off ourselves & the world & onto the Lord Who is our Hope & Life. Paul used the same thought in 1 Thes 5:17, to "pray without ceasing". Again, that our attitude is one of utter dependence on the Lord & our readiness to call upon Him as our first resort, rather than to other people & things.

So, "how do you do this practically?" As you have reason to call upon the Lord wherever you are; as your spirit goes out to someone in need, or to those ministering the Word in difficult situations; as you are sharing the Word with another & you seek the Spirit's help in doing so; and your desire to keep short accounts with the Lord that you won't be ashamed at His Coming. These are just a few thoughts.

Carl, the Genesis account does not give us all the details in this passage, but we would understand a few things. Adam & Eve were innocent & without sin in their creation. They remained that way & were never tempted by that tree being there, or for that matter, any tree or animal in Eden. Then Satan comes along; I don't believe that God put him there, but I do understand from Scripture that Satan was cast down from Heaven when he & those angels rebelled against God ( Ezek 28:14-18: the reference is to the King of Tyrus, is fully seen in Satan's existence before & after his rebellion). So when Satan was cast out of Heaven, he used a serpent (quite possibly very different to what we know today), to seek out & tempt Adam & Eve to sin & lose their innocence.

So I don't see that God especially put Satan there or even invited him to do what he did, but that Satan took the opportunity to destroy God's creation, which of course, he did when they obeyed him rather than God. But God, as we know, had other plans: in time & at the height of mankind's corruption, God would come Himself in Jesus, so as to give His life for us all. So Satan had a temporary victory, but God, through His Son, has given us an everlasting victory & restoration back to Himself. Satan still 'niggles' at us with temptations, but he knows that those who have been saved through the blood of the Lamb, will always have victory over him & as God has justified & sanctified us forever.

Carl, I fear that we have misunderstood your question, so our apologies. We have assumed that your question was to God changing His Name. But, in reading Gen 35, I think your question is "Why did God change Jacob's name"?

If I'm correct, then this actually is a good question. You may remember that this matter came up first in Gen 32:24-30. Jacob had just left Laban's house after serving him for twenty years for his daughters & cattle, when during his journey at a brook, Jacob wrestled with an 'angel' & was winning the match, when the angel weakened his grip on him. But Jacob wouldn't release him until he received a blessing & so it was here at Peniel that the angel of the Lord told him that his name would be called Israel. And Israel = Yisra'el, means 'one who contended with God'. So Jacob would no longer be seen as 'the Supplanter', as his name, Jacob, meant.

Yet, it seems that this name was only a prophecy until God (officially) named him Israel at Bethel ( Gen 35:10-13). So even though the Bible still speaks of Jacob, he is then known as Israel & all his descendants were the 'children of Israel". I hope this helps you.

4. The Fire of God

Hebrews 12:28-29

Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe. For our God is a consuming fire.

1 Peter 1:7

So that the tested genuineness of your faith-more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire-may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Daniel 7:9-10

"As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened

This verse refers to a "stream of fire" that came from before God's fiery throne. Is it possible this stream comes from or leads to a..Lake of fire?

In the verses I've provided the scripture clearly teaches us that we are tested by fire, and saved through fire. Jesus' sacrafice on the cross purchased all men, paid for all their sin, and according to the scripture, missing the mark is to sin, and if Jesus meant to save all men, and fails to fufil that promise, he missed the mark, and that would make God a sinner. The whole world is in His hands, not mens hands.

Ephesians 1:10

As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Revelation 5:13

And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"

Every creature; that includes everyone on earth throughout all time, there are no exceptions.

2. The words 'Eternity', and 'forever' is a mistranslation that comes from the word 'aion' which means Age, or age abiding, age lasting, or into the ages, not eternity.

If the word aion was translated to eternity every time its used in scripture, it might sound like it works for some verses, but if you consistantly translate it eternity there are many verses that would make no sense.

Matthew 25:46

And these will go away to eternal (age lasting) punishment, but the righteous to eternal (age lasting) life

1 Corinthians 3:18

If anyone thinks he is wise in this eternity (age), let him become a fool so that he may become wise.

3. We don't have true 'Free will' to choose God

There is the will of the flesh, and the will of Christ

You either walk by the spirit, or you walk by the flesh.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

John 1:12-13

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

So God is the one that allows us to believe in him, we get no credit. We cannot boast that we chose God because we didn't, he chose us. That verse plainly states that.

So how can we say men will be subject to eternal damnation when God didn't allow them to believe in him? God is all loving right? And all powerful, so he has a system in place in which he will purify all men through fire, all will be saved.

God Also hardened Pharaohs heart, which left Pharaoh with no free choice to let the people go. If man had free will; God could not override their will, but he does.

Exodus 4:21

And the Lord said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.

Thanks for the reply Chris, I'm happy to have a discussion.

This will be a multi post reply (If this website allows all of them) as there is a lot to unpack with your questions.

It seems there are some principles that need to be established in order for you to understand my position.

1. We have two Natures. There are several names for the two natures all men struggle between.

The new man and the old man, the flesh and the spirit, the carnal mind and the mind of Christ.

Romans 8:7

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

God's Law is an expression of his nature, only when walking in the spirit (the new man/nature) can we follow it.

Romans 8:8

Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Galatians 3:27

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Which ties into this verse)

Matthew 3:11

"I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. (This is the non literal fire)

Not only in this a spiritual fire but this fire is essential to being saved, which I believe we are not saved until we have endured to the end.

1 Corinthians 3:15

If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Galatians 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.

Galatians 5:16-17

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.

Galatians 5:24

And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

This theme occurs throughout all of scripture.

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Jacobs trouble is that he stole his firstborn brother Esau's birthright. Esau sold it for a bowl of Mom's soup. Jacob trucked his Dad into thinking he was hairy, Esau. Jacob got the firstborns blessing. Esau chased him, to kill him.

God was angry at Esau for doing that.

Genesis 27 to 28. Read slow; there is a covenant mentioned.

In Israel right now, there are so many people moving there; possibly wanting to live inside Jerusalem; saying they are Jewish or of Jewish ancestry... Israel is actually checking genealogy out. They have more people coming in than they have housing for. A lot of people are upset about that.

That's why they need to annex the land so new 'burbs can be built.

Meanwhile the Palestinians are breathing fire and threatening vicious promises. Syria and Iran are linking up with Russia.

Yet no one in America seems to know about it. I wonder if they know Russia and China are going to do business on their new Silk Road; along with Palestinians.

I watch earthquake maps every day almost. Countries all around Turkey; in Turkey and in Russia have earthquakes almost every day. It's interesting. News media doesn't care about it.

How is this end times going to pan out?

There seems to be a web being spun around places. The only thing they are united on is wiping out teeny tiny Israel. You'd think big player nations would invade South America. All they have is soybeans and soon to be no rain forests. The oceans are warming and the atmosphere. I think if you burn down your oxygen source... you should be invaded. Does anyone take science in High School or College anymore?

It's not going to help. Prophesy is happening! Has been for a long long time. The whole planet is longing for the Return of Jesus Christ. Pay attention to the SIGNS of the TIMES we are living in. Read your Bible and read rogue Newspapers. Do some googling on scientific records of rarely reported earth phenomenon. The South Pole is melting! The oceans will turn to blood. What science confirms that? If all the other forests burn up, how do we get oxygen.

Get on board with Jesus NOW. We can't fix all the broken stuff anymore. This age is like an hourglass with much less sand than 2000 years ago. Grab on to Jesus. HAVE FAITH in Him to save you.

Please pray for my daughter Sarah and her family. She is really going through some tough times. Mentally. I believe Satan is trying to destroy her family. Plus, her husband doesn't believe in God, or isn't sure. So sad.

Hello i am asking for prayer to remove blocks and obstacles from every areas of my life. Everything i try to do it's not working out i only reach half way and back to square one. Also generational curses and things from even before I was born. And prayers for my financial situation and love life. God bless Thank you

Hi Meade,

Are there particular Bible stories you find hard to believe that you'd like to share? I myself have had obstacles with some stories in the past until I became aware of a new piece of information previously overlooked that explains it, which may include scientific data. If there could be another perspective that explains the difficulty would you be open to hearing it?

Hello Jesse, that's nice of you to say that. I forgive you for whatever that entailed. I read and respond to a lot of comments sometimes and don't remember the specifics, but don't wish to remember either. Thank you and take care.

Prayer Request

Oh God Our Broken Hearts(Feelings)Cry out to You Day and Night for Your Mercy and Peace!

Dear Community of Prayer,

Thank you for praying!

Please keep my wife and I in your daily prayers(Spring,Summer 2020 or as long as possible) for God's Healing and Protecting Peace.

Slow recovery from the loss of our only son several years ago. Also other sorrows and hardships which have made things worse and taken its toll on our emotional and physical lives. Please pray!

Please if Possible?

Can you pass Urgent Prayer Request on to other Communities of Prayer(Prayer Groups,Prayer Chains,Parishes and others you know of?) that you know of??

Thank you for standing with us in daily prayer during these dark times we are all facing.

In His Peace,

Bill and Carol. oh. usa

Hello Adam,

Yes indeed, sleep is good. I think I might fit that description of the sloth, as I do enjoy my sleep. I mainly wanted to respond to the first thing you posted to tell you that I owe you an apology. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I overstepped my boundaries and I do realize my fault. You owe me nothing. All I ask is that you accept my apology and forgive me for be offensive toward you. It is never my intent to offend a brother or sister in Christ, but I have failed. Again, please accept my apology.

THY word YHWH is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path I thank YOU that YOU gave us your WORD and also for the many blessings YOU bestow on us daily AlleluiYAH

YOUR grace and mercy are new every morning therefore we are not consumed And we know this full well

When Jesus told Peter that he would deny him thrice, Peter didn't under stand until after the fact. Satan have over two thousands years on us Christians, to make everything he or his kind say sound believable. Don't get itchy ears and fall into these lying people wedd. Remember satan is the father of lies. In reference too Peter 2: 2

Sarah: Acts 19:13-20, is enough information to know if your objects, clothing, jewelry, "art" is an idol.

After I was saved, I had to go through my entire home with the Holy Spirit. If He cringes, it's gotta go. You can't sell it, you can't trash it, you can't give it away. Those kind of objects have to be rendered useless.

I burned mine in a thunderstorm with a friend.

Sarah: Exodus chapter 20 contains the Ten commandments. What kind of objects do you have?

Thank you. Lord for. All. You do for me. From. Day. By. Day. Give. Me. Better. Heathr. give me better weather and llord help. Us. Make it. Though these hard time

certain stories in the bible as some things we are told as children are believed, but as we grow into adulthood many of those beliefs wither and die in the cauldron of critical reasoning

Mishael, with the advent of the internet, there's so much information on the Bible & Bible helps there, that the old hard copies are now near to becoming redundant. Anyway, we older folks still prefer to flick through its pages & enjoying searching the Word systematically. Yes, the NASB is said to be a very good translation as well, & a good option to the KJV.

Ann, In Gal 2:7 Paul is not teaching there are 2 Gospels. That's a misunderstanding. He is simply saying Peter presented the one and only Gospel to one group and Paul handled the other group. Peter had the Middle East. Paul had Greece and Italy. Paul himself cautions that there is no other Gospel, Gal 1:8 - "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!"

See Eph 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

Again in 1 Cor 12:13 - "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

The use of the word dispensation is not the same as Dispensationalism. There has been a lot of debate over what Dispensationalists believe with respect to Israel, the Church and a Promise that remains to Israel. While the outline of historical "dispensations" is helpful to put Biblical History in perspective, assertions that some things in the NT are for Jews and others for Followers of Christ, are misguided. Hebrews, for example, was written for Christians with a Jewish background. It was not written for Jews or Synagogues. Neither was the Sermon on the Mount for Jews. Its universal principles apply to all. Contrary to the belief of some, Christ was not giving Jews instructions for the Millenium.

Gal 2:15-16 - "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Although In Rom 11, Paul makes it clear God still has a commitment to the Jews.

God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

Gen 17:5 - Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY many nations have I made thee.

If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, where are all these MANY "jewish nations"...?

There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe is not many

Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

The Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL

Israel and judah had wars and different kings as well as different capitols. Jerusalem capitol of Judah.

Samaria capitol of Israel.

2 Kings 8:16 ...Joram the son of Ahab KING of ISRAEL, Jehoshaphat being then KING of JUDAH, ...

1 Kings 21:1 ....had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the PALACE of Ahab KING of SAMARIA.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

this verse says a new covenant with both Israel AND Judah. So how can they be the same?

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then ARE ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mishael, I am glad you read it and understand how evil it is. Think about that next time you want to pray a blessing for those who believe that stuff. Hollywood celebs who wear the red string around their wrists are into this mess. Think Madonna and even some the family of the prez are into this.

This understanding of Kabbalah gives new meaning to this: Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I live in South Florida with the 3rd largest concentration of Jews in the USA. When I came to the Lord in late 89 I decided I wanted to study the old testament and decided to study from the Jewish perspective, after all it is supposed to be their book right? Why study the OT from Lutherans, Baptists or charismatics?

Anyways I went to the library and started reading Jewish literature and came across this stuff and I could hardly believe it. So how come messianic Jews do not come out and expose and denounce this? They know what it is as they use the symbols and words associated with this.

Those who claim to be Noahides (laws given to Noah not in the Bible) are from this same group. This is the group pushing YESHUA as the name of our savior Jesus. These groups claim Christ was a master of kabbalah and this is how he performed his miracles, the unpardonable sin in my opinion.

One last thing and the highest symbol in the Kabbalah system is proudly displayed on the Israeli flag. Present this info to your church and do not be shocked when you are told to leave.

PS I came out of the new age baby occult filth so I knew what this evil was. Praise the Lord my private Baptist Bible school teaching in middle school kicked in when I saw this vile evil. Look into the Noahide laws and their penalty.

Greg,

I believe all this will all take place during this future 7-year period. Again, my belief is that the church will not be here during those 7 years. But, for those people who are here, this is what I understand from Revelation Chapter 13. During the first half of the Tribulation Period, the antichrist and his prophet will be unifying the economic, political, and religious systems of the world.

In fact, he will make a covenant with the nation Israel to rebuild their temple. And they will start sacrificing again in their temple. And then about the mid-point of this 7-year period, the antichrist comes in with the false prophet, and he puts his image in the Holy of holies and demands that everyone worship the image of the beast. I'm telling you this so you can see how all this fits together.

At that time, in order for anyone to participate in the economic, political, and religious system of the world, to buy food, and to participate, you have to worship the image. If you worship the image, then you will get the mark of the beast. And that mark gives you the authority to function in the economic and political system of the world. You cannot get that mark unless you join his religious system, and worship the image. There will be a one-world currency, political, and religious system. No one can participate without the mark. People can take the mark which will allow them to purchase the necessities for a short time. But, those who take the mark will no longer have an opportunity to be saved. If you're saved now, you have nothing to worry about.

It is best to commit your whole heart and soul to Jesus NOW. Accept him as Savior and Lord.

You will be with us when we are Caught Up. The line will be drawn in the sand so-to-speak. You don't want to stay behind at that time!

I know it's confusing with people preaching pre, mid, and post tribulation. Don't listen to it. Be ready before all that!!!!!!

Jesus is not going to suffer His Bride to be TEMPTED.

Don't make plans to go through the tribulation.

The Antichrist will have already have the edict in place to announce a one world money system. All currencies will be changed to one. Only accessible by getting the Mark of the Beast. If any nation is in possession of a nuke (?), those may be launched in retaliation. We don't know how it unfolds.

We only know a False Peace, initiated by Antichrist will be employed for a few years maybe and then He will reveal his true plans for humanity. He will wholesale slaughter anyone who doesn't have his mark. Marked people will be programmed to turn in anyone who doesn't have the mark.

You and anyone else reading this, get ready now. BE BORN AGAIN now! Receive the Holy Spirits baptism now.

Read it, Bob. I knew it had to be bad because of the Book of Lamentations. I know that the end of the earth was going to be bad. God has to eradicate contrary religions, beliefs.

That's why it is so important in evangelizing that people get the newborns into a Christian church and study group.

I know from my studies that God is going to give the Jews a choice to repent and run to Him only; receive Jesus as their long awaited for, Messiah. Of course that will happen after the Caught Up event. Also the other events to endure. If they don't believe in Jesus at that time, there will be no more remedy for them. The wheat will be separated from the chaff; the goats from the sheep. Everywhere. God is no respecter of persons.

I didn't know how deeply they are into mysticism; esoteric and occult belief.

Hard to believe it was that all consuming.

Satan has something for everyone. My experience: he doesn't like to lose the ones who served him knowingly or unknowingly. Everyone who has dabbled...better repent and get all idols out of the home. It gives "them" permission to come in. Destroy it; pour paint over it. Acts 19:13-19

Thanks for sending that, Bob.

Carlos ...

The entire Word of God was written by Jews and was written to the Jews, with exception of The Apostle Paul, The Apostle of The GENTILES.

That is YOU!

The Revelation is a book of PROPHECY ... to The 7 Churches of Asia that existed during Paul's day.

Revelation 1:3

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this PROPHECY, and keep those things written therein: for the time is at hand.

You see, The Tribulation was right around the corner for those Jews living during Paul's day, and the books Hebrews through The Revelation are written to prepare the Jews for the SOON Tribulation.

BUT, what happened? How come it DID NOT happen right away?

Answer: Paul and The Body Of Christ

These 7 churches of Asia were JEWISH . . . 7 Candlesticks, Angels, Works, Synagogue, Doctrine of Balaam, Hidden Manna, White Stone, Jezebel, White Linen, Priests, Key of David, New Jerusalem, The Lamb, Lion from The Tribe Of Judah, and on and on.

None of The Revelation has anything to do with YOU!

Thank goodness!

Hebrews - The Last Days, Prophets, Throne, Anointed With Oil, Heirs Of Salvation, Signs and Wonders, To Call Them Brethren, Seed Of Abraham, Bondage, Make reconciliation for the sins of the people, Moses, House, Provocation, and on and on . . . ALL JEWISH.

James . . . To the Twelve Tribes Scattered ... JEWISH!

Peter . . . To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia . . . ALL JEWISH!

123 John . . . Unto The ELECT Lady ISRAEL . . . JEWISH!

Jude . . . Feasts, Error Of Balaam, Egypt, Moses, Angels, Garment spotted, Last Time, Looking for the Mercy . . . JEWISH!

The Tribulation . . . The Time Of Jacobs TROUBLE!

WHEN did Jacob have TROUBLE?

The 1st 7 years Jacob worked for Leah... the 2nd 7 years Jacob worked for Rachel, whom he loved, that was TROUBLE! The Kingdom promised to Abraham and David will come and The Jews will inherit The Earth!

God is going to KEEP HIS PROMISE!

The woman is the church and the answer if found in Revelation 12

that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists

in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.

Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand

Put all your faith and trust in the Lord our rock because everything else is just sinking sand. Verse that I pray everyday is Joshua 1:9. Its give me much peace. Thank you Lord Jesus for all the many blessings seen and unseen.