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Please don't get frustrated, it is Revelation 22:8-9 It was an angel, read Revelation 1:1. The more you grow the more you will be fed by the Holy Spirit.
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RLW
Revelation 22:2
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
God had two trees in the Garden of Eden. The Trees were FOR A CHOICE.
One Tree was for Eternal Life.
One Tree was for the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
All of the OTHER trees were given for food and enjoyment
[The first 2 trees were forbidden to be eaten from.]
TEMPTATION entered the Garden. Lucifer in the body of a snake. He wasn't human, so he had to borrow a body. Adam was with Eve. Lucifer approached the woman (help meet).
See, God gives us choices. We are responsible for our choices. Eve was drawn to choose separateness from God; knowledge apart from God, leverage and personal gain. (things Lucifer was suggesting). Maybe Eve craved TO BE EQUAL to God or Adam?
She didn't choose Eternal Life. Eternity in sin and separation. Satan was after the Dominion given to humans. He went after "the weaker vessel."
God immediately protected the Tree of Life with a flaming sword. To protect them from spiritual death and separation. And you can read of the judgments of Adam having to cultivate and provide their own food; Eve suffering through childbirth, etc. And the history of mankind on earth, separated from God, began for all peoples.
However, in Genesis 3:15, is told of a future day (the Cross of Jesus) of restoration of relationship to God, would be paid in blood, by Jesus Christ__who was and is, THE TREE OF LIFE.
Revelation 22:2 (where the Tree is now).
The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is inside of us. Either we CHOOSE LIFE ETERNAL; or we live until we die, separated forever, spiritually dead.
So it seems that the "they" are the servants of the Lord who will reign forever and ever. It does not say who they will reign over or even if this reign will be over anyone else. Perhaps it means that we shall share with Christ whatever the Godhead has determined to be His reign. So, for me, I cannot pinpoint an answer to your question from the text. I will research a bit more and get back to you.
No offence, but I don't believe you have your stars "lined up" properly. The star that the Magi followed in Matthew Chapter 2 which led them to the Christ child was not Christ. In Matthew 2:2, these Magi called it "his star." This star was not Christ Himself, but it was his star. It was not a star that was already in the heavens that used to kind of move around a little bit to get some people's attention. It was a special star that was an indication to the Magi. It was "His star." It was Jesus' star.
The star came and stood over Bethlehem and they (The Magi) actually followed the star. It was a guiding star and when it stopped over Bethlehem, they knew that that was the place where the Christ child was. They had no other way of finding their way other than to follow the star. Christ was already approximately a year old and living in a house by the time the Magi arrived in Bethlehem. I know we are getting close to Christmas and I hope I do not cause anyone to return their manger scene back to Walmart by what I'm about to say, but Jesus was not a baby lying in a manger when the wise men arrived, and it wasn't just three wise men either.
You did mention Revelation 22:16. I believe that is referring to Christ but I just don't see how you are connecting that to the star mentioned in Matthew Chapter 2? The bright and morning star is completely different than the star that led the Magi to Christ.
There was total darkness when Christ died, because Christ is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a WOMAN clothed with the SUN (the light of the world), and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the house of Israel).
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God doth lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF.
Our physical sun burns and gives light because Christ CAUSES it, Christ is the light (sun). ( Colossians 1:17)
The star the wise men follower was CHRIST, he is the BRIGHT and MORNING STAR. ( Revelation 22:16)
We are here on earth and the kingdom is within us. Christ is the body that holds the fullness of the Father, Christ is ONE with the Father, a body with LIFE in that body, we are (ONE) the body and Christ is the LIFE in the body.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY..... CHRIST IN YOU.....
Ephesians 4:4
Mark 8:35
Matthew 7:14
Christ is the SEED and the SEED, when planted, bears SEED exactly like the SEED planted. Look at the way God has made plants and animals to reproduce, after their LIKENESS. God reproduces no different than what he created reproduces. Jesus is the first (son of god), Jesus is the last (son of god).
Job 38:7 When the MORNING STARS (plural) sang together (ONE), the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy.
Revelation 22:16
Revelation 2:28
God Bless You!
Perhaps, we don't really know. The important thing is for us to keep our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith. He endured the cross seeing the joy ahead when so many will be saved. We too, must endure whatever God allows with faith that we will not go through anything alone. Jesus said that He will never leave us nor forsake us.
He also said the one who endures (in faith) to the end will be saved.
So, be strong in the Lord and His Spirit within you. He is mighty to save and has the power and authority to overcome the enemy and all of His evil works. We are in good hands.
Much of the bible scripture including the gospel of Jesus is written so that a common person (even a child) can easily understand enough to become saved, and remain saved, and receive Salvation/Heaven.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Believe in Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Get baptized in water, and receive the Holy Spirit.
1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus when you sin, and walk in the Spirit.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Strive to keep God's ten commandments, and ask for forgiveness when you sin.
Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Jesus tells us above, that those of us that keep his commandments - we will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates of the city/Heaven.
Nothing is complicated in most bible scripture. God wants all of us to understand!
Do not depend on others, pick up and read your Bible, believe in what it says, and take a hold of YOUR SALVATION!
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
He overcame death for us, and we praises Him forever, love u in Christ.
I will agree, and add to what Brother Adam humbly stated previously. I agree that Jesus tells us that FEW will make it to heaven. It's not because they don't have the opportunity, they do, but most want to continue to live a sinful/worldly life.
Matthew 10:38-39
"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
"He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."
Jesus provides us with the answers. He is the Judge and he tells us specifically in this scripture below in "simple words" what he will be looking for from us to enter heaven.
Revelation 22:12-14
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God Bless.
Discount the prophets, God's pride and joy, at your own peril.
Revelation 22:6-7
Revelation 22:10
Jesus cherishes the prophets, who by the grace of God documented our future.
on the last page.
Revelation 22:18-19
Romans 5:8 For God commendeth his love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
No conditions were put on man to be save, it's a gift of God. You were saved before you were ever born and before you ever sinned. ( Romans 9:11)
Grace is Grace and Mercy is Mercy.
Revelation 22:12 And behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as HIS WORK shall be.
Matthew 7:22 .... have we not done many wonderful WORKS
Matthew 7:22 ..... depart from me ye workers of iniquity .... this is man's reward, for man's work...
He played 'church' when he was little, with siblings and friends. He was a very anointed Pastor.
However it happened, he began teaching there was no hell. He lost his church. Oral Roberts rebuked him and other ministers. This happened I think in the 90's. I moved to Austin in 89.
I still have a box of his sermons from before he changed. Such an anointing! A lot of people followed him. He's living in past glory; so are they.
He needs people of faith to keep praying for him. I believe in miracles.
The Bible says in Revelation 22:18-21
We are forbidden to add, subtract or change scripture. No options.
Revelation 2:28 I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus.....I AM ...... the bright and MORNING STAR.
Job 38:7 When the MORNING STARS sang together, and all the Son's of God shouted for joy?
We know All of Revelation is not in sequence but most is.
But the sequences in Revelation 22 comes after the sequences in Revelation 20!!
Here's why.
Revelation 22:3-7, 10-11. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
AND HE SAITH UNTO ME, SEAL NOT THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
You see what happens when you symbolize ALL the scriptures?
When you do away with ALL the literal you have no ROCK to stand on!!
When the scripture is not allowed to say what it says you can't research them. The scripture needs to be taken/seriously first and if it's a symbol that symbol is explained elsewhere in scripture in literal form.
If you take the whole counsel of God it presents a narrow path and a message that is in harmony with foundation laid.
We must be careful heresies started creeping in the Church in Paul and John's Day. These same Debates we're having today was Debated in the first Century.
Certain terms were defined differently. They wrote about what they believed but isn't to be considered inspired.
We have to take what we have as scripture as inspired.
God bless.
Acts 1:11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 22:20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
God bless.
Revelation isn't in order as 1-2-3, but goes back and forth between different events.
Study a little close, John is being shown what is going to happen, not what has already happened.
Revelation 22:10 ...for the time is at hand, it had not already happened.
Revelation 22:12 Jesus hasn't come yet, to judge the world.
I have heard Your logic, and your views,
All the scriptures you ever presented doesn't reflect those views.
I am not asking you to interpret anything.
I'm asking you to show me the scriptures you draw your belief from when you said, "Pasting your Quote"
( Brother S Spencer, May I add three more scriptures to 1 Corinthians 3:14 -15 that helps clarify it.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was NOT FOUND WRITTEN in the book of life was.)
End Quote.
You associated the refining fire mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. with the Lake of fire in Revelation 20:15. According to your belief this is a refining fire and everyone will be resurrected. Some with Glorified bodies and some with Earthly bodies.
I'm saying if that is so who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15.
with the resurrection being already passed
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust Revelation 22:11. with the Resurrection being already passed?
Who are they!?
I'm not following you, You're loosing me here!
Quoting you-
"No one but the ELECT, as you say, go to heaven, everyone and everything else will happen ON EARTH, after the world, from adam forward, are raised back to earthly flesh. ??? I Never said that.
If After the Judgment and resurrection all will be saved. Some with Heavenly bodies Some with Earthly bodies.
Who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust in Revelation 22:11. ?
The Resurrection has already past.
The verses you have given doesn't settle the question. Where's the scripture where everyone goes to heaven, Some with glorified bodies Some with early bodies?
Who's those left without the Gate in Revelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain in Revelation 22:11. ?
The Resurrection has already past.
Here's the Redeemed. As well as the verses you have given.
" Revelation 20:4-6. "...
..6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Here's the Lost. "Twice Dead "
Revelation 20:11-14. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
You know for a person that once said that one can't just read the scripture for truth or Bible dictionaries ect.. You sure post a lot of Scripture.
WHO'S THOSE LEFT WITHOUT THE GATE AND REMAIN UNJUST After the Resurrection and Judgements?
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they (the ELECT). They have become Son's of God, to judge the earth.
For WITHOUT are those raised back in the flesh to be judged.
This judgement is happening on earth after the second resurrection (Could take a thousand years or more, this is hinted at in the prophets).
Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God kings and priest to REIGN ON EARTH.
Revelation 2:26 An he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, will I GIVE POWER over the nations: (that are raised back to earthy flesh to be judged)
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule (JUDGE) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter they shall be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father ( Psalms 2:8-10).
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be (lake of) A FIRE, and the the house of Joseph A FLAME ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau as STUBBLE, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Christ and his brothers the SON'S OF GOD) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the house of Esau, and the Kingdom (ON EARTH) shall be the LORD'S.
Jeremiah 51:19-23
Only the elect will have a glorified body at this time, all other will still have earthly bodies.
:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Have you noticed in the conclusion of all things? The judgement and fire have past and the redeemed inside the gate and sinners left out?
"So much for fire refining the sinner and all people going to heaven."
If that don't do it here's another verse in the same chapter.
verse :11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
In the conclusion here I don't see everyone being refined by fire and going to heaven!
Revelation 22:1-7.
Let's skip ahead to 2 neglected verses.
Revelation 22:10-11. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Here's where the unjust will remain unjust, and the just will remain just. Meaning judgement is past tense by the time we get here.
Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Sounds familiar? ( 1 Corinthians 3:14-15.)
Revelation 22:14-15. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Verse 14 we have the redeemed! They're the just that will stay just mentioned in verse 11. How did they do his commandments? By Atonement!
Romans 3:24-28.
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Also: 1 John 2:1-2.
And Hebrews 10:14-17.
Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
God bless.
Sorry, it took me a while to study your posts. Scripture is clear; the lake of fire is real and it was prepared for Satan and his angels, Matthew 25:41. Those whose name is not in the book of life will be cast into this lake of fire, the second death, this is the death the saints will be spared. According to scripture we all will be judged and our reward will be given, good or bad according to our works Revelation 22:12. Each of us will have different rewards, some lights will be brighter than others, Daniel 12:2-3 and whether in the lake of fire, the punishments may be also judged accordingly.
My understanding is we do not get a second chance for salvation after this life in this flesh, Hebrews 9:27. We have this, there are evil and good people that live and have lived and those who did not have a chance to hear of the word of God, this may show how they will be judged at the white throne judgment, Romans 2:12-15 (this is my understanding of this), but those who have heard and rejected it, Katy bar the door.
I must humbly disagree, I am not in the lake of fire, we will be judged with fire, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. The Bible has symbolic wording but represents real things, people, kingdoms, etc. I am sorry I can't follow interpreting the scriptures by allegorizing all, I feel we turn all scripture into parables.
RLW