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... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have of her services. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to be intimate with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for immorality. But when she produced Judah's personal effects, he realized that he was the father of Tamar's child. So he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further intimate contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

My hand is raisedOh pick me! I know this one! From personal experience. I'm sorry to say.

It means; If you get truly saved and then you walk away from the things of the kingdom to live your life according to your own wisdom, backsliding, it will be very bad. Very very bad. Bad things will happen. The destroyer will kill, steal, and destroy you, and yours. Gods chastisement may well be upon you too. Which will also be very painful. And you may never make it back to a victorious life "in Christ" unless. You come back to God through Christ 1timothy 2five 100%. Fully repenting and dying to self completely.

... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have sex wit her. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to engage in sex with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for sexual immorality. But when she Judah's personal effects, he realized that he. was the father of Tamar's child, so he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further sexual contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

Please pray for this family and so many others who have lost loved ones due to the deadly and tragic vaccine mandates. This is heart breaking and so unjust.

Man's wife told husband to not get the covid vaccine despite his work mandate. He applied for religious exemption, but his employer denied exemption. He then got the Pfizer vaccine, developed blood clots, and died. He was 38. VAERS ID:1823666

Please pray over this as this is very troubling and the fact that there are nearly 1 million other adverse reactions and deaths just in the USA which is not covered by the media is absolutely sickening and a new level of evil we haven't seen. These pharma companies and politicians are making billions from pushing these untested injections and it's killing people.

Well written GiGi. Some of us have been following these many & varied comments for a few years now, so we can understand where some folk come from in regards to understanding Scripture. And as much as this is an open medium to share one's thoughts on the Scriptures & I try to read & seek to understand every comment given, I have to confess that I do need to do some mental & spiritual gymnastics (even contortions) to try & assimilate some things being written here. For the brothers in question (& even some others), I truly believe they genuinely love the Lord & are doing their best to interpret the Word, so I rather leave the matter unless specifically addressed to me. But unfortunately, the matter is then never pursued.

My understanding is that the Word of God is God's Message through His spokesmen, delivering what mankind needs to hear & learn. First for His people Israel, & then to the World. If any take the Bible & submerge it in types, allegories, metaphors & mystical meanings, then it really is of no use to anyone & interpretation is open to whatever one deems it to be. Where the message needs explaining, the explanation is given in the Word - whether the parables, the Book of Revelation, or even Paul's epistles (e.g. Sarah/Hagar). Where the meaning is not given, the Word is stored in our hearts for the Spirit's revealing in His Time. Therefore, I find it best to leave arguing on such divergent interpretations, except to state in the same thread what my understanding of it is, as a alternate understanding for other people's consideration. Many of us appreciate your clear Scriptural foundations, your vibrant sharing, & defence of the Truth. Every blessing.

Hi Gigi The coat of many colors was one of the jealousy triggers with Josephs brothers because it signified leadership and he was to be the heir. Joseph is a great example of a walk of patience and love and wisdom of God to the point of

literally making Egypt the wealthiest in the world at that time also of God changing situations in His life from lemons to lemonade because he believed.

The main characters of this chapter are Judah, (Jacob's 4th son; son of Leah), and Tamar. It starts out with Judah taking a Canaanite woman for a wife. We do not know if any of is brothers had married outside the family or not. But it says that Judah had purposely separated himself from the family most likely to find a wife, since Dinah was the only sister and female relative around the area. His brother, Rueben, had slept with his fathers concubine. These boys needed wives at their ages!

From her(Shuah) was born three sons, Er, Onan, and Shelah. When Er was grown, Judah chose Tamar for a wife for Er. Jewish tradition says that Tamar was from Shem's lineage. (Shem lived into Jacob's lifetime.) Tamar did not have children by Er. The text says that he did evil in the sight of the Lord. God slew him. So, the custom was for a brother to marry his sister in law in order to raise up a child as an heir for is brother. Onan was old enough to fulfill this custom. But he did not want to father a child with Tamar. Instead of refusing to have intercourse with her, he chose to have the pleasure without the responsibility of fathering a child, especially for his brother. He used coitus interruptus (pulling out before ejaculation) and ejaculated outside of Tamar. God saw what he did and said it was evil. He slew Onan. I think that both Er and Onan were guilty of the same act: coitus interruptus. Why would God slay both within the context of this story if their sin was not somehow connected.

Some people say that Onan's sin was not wanting to allow for Tamar to become pregnant since the child would be considered his brothers. But it says that what Onan did was evil, not why he did it. If he had refused to sleep with Tamar, God may not have slew him. For me, I think that Onan's primary sin was sexual: coitus interruptus: a from of contraception, because he did it to avoid impregnation. And his secondary sin was is motivation, to not sire a child for his brother.

Hello Billy Don't see a problem with God , Moses a man of God married an Ethiopian women i.e. african, God doesn't look at race man does.

Jonijo In the context individuals who have been born again if they are deceived to going back to the pollutions

of the world i.e. lust of flesh lust of eyes, pride of life they are again entangled trapped by the old man nature the

next verse is a very remarkable mind picture. It would have been better to have not known the way of righteous

then the end result it is like a dog wallowing in its own vomit, you are in a state worse than when you were not

born again. That I can't imagine! They have walked away from God.

Joseph must have not spent much time with these brothers. Maybe children were brought up with their mothers and since Jacob had 5 wives, they may not have interacted much with their youngest two brothers from Rachel. None of his older brothers had Rachel for a mother. The brothers schemed about a way to kill him. Rueben was sensible and more honorable than the others. He wanted to trick is brothers and rescue Joseph. He didn't want Joseph to be killed and suggested an alternative plan whereby he could later rescue Joseph. The brothers agreed with him and put him into a dry cistern. Rueben was not wit the brothers when Judah suggested to sell Joseph to the caravan that included Ishmaelites (from Abraham and Hagar) and Midianites (from Abraham and Keturah). They apparently associated together, at least for trade purposes). Judah may have wished to spare Joseph, or maybe he just wanted to be able to make a buck off of his brother.

In Egypt, Joseph was sold to Potiphar, an official of the Pharaoh. Rueben was very upset when he came to the cistern and found Joseph gone. He did not know what had happened to Joseph.

Then the brothers covered up their plot by taking his coat, killing a kid goat, and soaking the coat in the blood. Jacob was none the wiser in tis matter. When the sons came with the bloody coat he was convinced that Joseph had died from an animal attack even though Joseph's body was no where to be found. Jacob grieved long and hard for Joseph. The brothers tried to comfort their father, but he was not easily comforted.

This is when the story ends.

Joseph was a dreamer, given this gift from God. It is not revealed how aware Joseph was of God and how closely he followed Him. His character and relationship with God will be tested in the years to come.

Here again we have a parent showing favoritism to one child over another. This time it was Jacob favoring Joseph, his 11th son. Hadn't Jacob learned anything from growing up with his mother favoring him and his father favoring Esau? surely e knew what it was like to favored and not favored. But, Joseph was Rachel's child and she was favored by Jacob over his other wives.

Joseph was 17 in this chapter. So, for 17 years, his brother had witnessed how their father favored and pampered Joseph. He did not work in the fields with his brothers, even though he was old enough to do so. He was given finer clothing than them. Their father allowed Joseph to snitch on his brothers. Was Jacob aware of how damaging this favoring was to his other sons? I am the fourth of ten children in my family. Growing up we did have discussions and arguments about who was favored by my parents. They tried not to favor any of us, but they made comments that led to us thinking some were more of a "golden child" than others. But we never hated our siblings.

Joseph was given dreams from God. I don't think Joseph really knew quite how to handle these dreams and so wanted to tell others to find some answers, perhaps. Maybe he did want to lord it over his brothers a bit. He was not perfect.

Telling his brothers ended up being for the good because, in time, they all would be reminded of these dreams from many years past when in Egypt. I wonder if the multiple colors of the coat was significant. Any help on this?

Perhaps it was just that it was considered expensive, extravagant, or time consuming to dye so many different colors before spinning into threads to create the coat.

His brothers were jealous of Joseph and hated him. They commiserated together over this while working in the fields. They were old enough to have married and began families of their own by this time. Jacob sending Joseph out to see how the work was going was not welcome, since he often would bring back a bad report about them.

I have to disagree S. Spencer , I recall that Abraham believed God and that's an act of obedience.

To not believe is a form of disobedience. And considered sin .

Read Genesis chapter 22 for context ,

Read verse 16 " and said , By myself have I sworn , sayeth the Lord , for because thou hast done this thing , and not withheld thy son , thine only son : that in blessing I will bless thee

Verse 18 because thou hast obeyed my voice .

It's amazing God does test us to prove us as he did Abraham, if Abraham refused to obey , he also would have missed out on the blessing .

An interesting story , here like the one of God giving his own Son Jesus , God did what he asked Abraham to do ! Pure Gold on Gods part He did what He asked of another to do , but with unmeasurable results.

This chapter gives the lineage of Esau. It says that he left Canaan (the promised land) to live in Seir. There was are mountains there that stretch from the southeast of the dead sea to the gulf of Aqaba. Seir means hairy, so it was named after Esau. His lands were called Edom and he was renamed "Edom" in scriptures, too. Edom means "red" as Esau was known to be hairy and red all over. (perhaps with red hair).

The remainder of the chapter recounts the sons born to Esau from is three wives and also is sons' sons. They were called "dukes" (princes or chieftans). Esau's lineage was the ruling class of this area which was inhabited by other groups when Esau moved there. It does not say how Esau became so powerful over the inhabitants, but perhaps having so many sons and grandsons factored into this.

Hi Hans.

A conditional covenant is an agreement between two or more parties that requires certain terms to be met. If the terms are met, there will be one kind of result (favorable). If the terms are not met, there will be a different result (unfavorable).

The case we have here is Abraham had no participation in the oath being made therefore he was not bound to an oath.

It was the Lord given the promise and it was "HE" who confirmed it with an oath.

Hebrews 6:13-14.

Hebrews 6:17.

It didn't take obedience of the Law to form the Covenant.

Galatians 3:17-18.

However I didn't Leave out obedience.

Here's why and how we obey.

AND OPERATION OF THE HOLYSPIRIT IN THE NEW COVENANT.

THE TRUE VINE!

John 151:17.

Ps. You are not expected to bare fruit until AFTER you are connected to the vine.

Notice verse 4.

John 15:4.

The branch cannot bear fruit of itself!!

Nor does it produce the fruit!!

Again. ( YOU CANNOT PRODUCE THE FRUIT ) YOU BEAR IT.!!

( 2 Corinthians 3:5. )

Hebrews 10:16

Romans 6:6

Romans 8:10-11.

God bless.

Mishael,

You are so good at giving helpful information about this site. Thank you

2 Peter 2:20?

What does this mean?

Earl With all due respect words of edification have no confusion and your methods of sharing are confusing

a lot of times, and confusion is not of the Spirit. Just some food for thought.

J Parker Don't over think this Adam and Eve were the first known humans Body soul and spirit in Genesis 1:28 God said be fruitful and multiply and replenish so like I said before if they are going to repopulate the earth there had to be

a life form before those two but like I said no one knows what that was because God doesn't say. There are things in the word that we cannot know why because we are not told.



Here's another example no one knows when Christ will return for His body the church why because that is in Gods Hands period.

What kjv publisher is true to 1611?

I have 'kjv authorized 1611' published by Holman.... Very concerned if its not *accurate *.... How can I possibly know which publisher!?

Google search bring up SO many articles! Can't read them all

Who to trust & how can ever know??

One article said Cambridge pub best?

Help! Thx

Earl When we are born again we do not get God we get His Gift Holy Spirit even then our natural man sins or

breaks fellowship that's why we need to confess the sin and ask forgiveness then fellowship is restored. We are

spiritual clean but not physically because of the flesh, two different things remember flesh is flesh and spirit is

spirit. One decays flesh the other incorruptible spirit.

Earl The fourth statement is impossible we all commit sin.

Wesley's Notes for JUDE 1:9

1:9 Yet Michael - It does not appear whether St. Jude learned this by any revelation or from ancient tradition. It suffices, that these things were not only true, but acknowledged as such by them to whom he wrote. The archangel - This word occurs but once more in the sacred writings, # 1Thess 4:16|. So that whether there be one archangel only, or more, it is not possible for us to determine. When he disputed with the devil - At what time we know not. Concerning the body of Moses - Possibly the devil would have discovered the place where it was buried, which God for wise reasons had concealed. Durst not bring even against him a railing accusation - Though so far beneath him in every respect. But simply said, (so great was his modesty!) The Lord rebuke thee - I leave thee to the Judge of all.

People's Bible Notes for Jude 1:9

Jude 1:9 Michael the archangel. Michael is brought forward as a contrast with those who speak evil of dignities. He is called by Daniel "the Great Prince" (Da 12:1), and here "the archangel", or head angel. He disputed about the body of Moses. The reference is not to a statement of the Bible, but to a Jewish tradition which held that the burial place of Moses was placed under the charge of Michael. Durst not bring against him a railing accusation. Yet in addressing the devil, a fallen angel, he did not rail at him, but only said, "The Lord rebuke thee".

1 Corinthians 13

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not LOVE, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not LOVE, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not LOVE, it profiteth me nothing.

4 LOVE suffers long, and is kind; LOVE envieth not; LOVE vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the TRUTH;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 LOVE never fails, but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away,

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known;

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is LOVE

Mishael: we are following Jesus. When His Love is perfected in Us, we become more like Him. We don't strive. We teach patiently. Pray. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in a way that helps us to see ourselves in that mirror. Looking into it___we see less of us, and more of Jesus. Perfection of Love, within us. It frees us in a way that is almost indescribable. Acceptance in the BELOVED.

He loves & accepts__now, then, and in between.

Mishael

Brother Rick, these words are for edifying and not for rebuke.

Christ is a body, and his Father does the Fathers work through Christ.

Christ never spoke a word of himself nor did a work of himself, therefore he never sinned.

We are no different, we are just a body, we speak no words of our self nor do any works of our self.

All is of GOD. When we are brought to this truth, by judgement, being born again of truth, we cannot sin, because we are a body (vessel) and a body can do nothing (of itself) other than what the life in that body CAUSES it TO DO. And God doesn't sin. He uses EVIL to BRING ABOUT GOOD, therefore its not sin.

He makes some (his work) vessels of HONOUR and some (his work) vessels of DISHONOUR.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have NOW obtained mercy through THEIR UNBELIEF:

Romans 11:31 Even so NOW have these NOT believed, that through YOUR MERCY (when the elect judge the world) THAT THEY MAY ALSO OBTAIN MERCY.

SIN is UNBELIEF, the wages if UNBELIEF is DEATH, the WAGES of BELIEF is LIFE.

John 16:8 When he is COME (he is here NOW, in you) he will reprove the world of sin, of righteousness, and judgement:

John 16:9 Of SIN; because they BELIEVE NOT on me (The WORD, all the words).

Philippians 3:2

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the conscision

Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Colossians 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Comment: ONLY GOD can change a heart. We are teach with kindness and patience. Not with the leaven of scribes and Pharisees. How did Jesus accomplish this? Study in 1 John, 2 John, 3 John.

John the beloved was called so, "because he gets it". He understood what Jesus said to us.

The people created in Gods image to replenish the earth were whom?

They were not Adam or Eve who were living souls and who were told to replenish the earth after they were removed from the garden.

Confusion, on my part, please explain

Is it gods wishes that all man and wemon can mix races with gods appovial for all?

Hi James.

I Agree with the disciple "Is one who follows ones teachings.

Look how that is supposed to look like from the rest of the world.

John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

( BY THIS SHALL ALL MEN KNOW THAT YE ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YE HAVE LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER. )

This is a Love we can't manifest in the flesh. It's a Love we can't do on our own.

God bless.

Many Questions can be answered by using THE SEARCH ENGINE on this website. A few words or a name may be found by the engine and it will post every scripture that has those words. It will print them out.

You will learn way more that way. Be as young scholars and search the scriptures yourselves.

Mishael

Important reminder for everyone: Titus 3:2